General M-Jet / T-Jet argument thread !!

[beany_bot]

The ONLY problem is, with a diesel, is the noise.... Period

Yes it noiser when your just ticking over but what everyone overlooks is when your actually driving along the diesel is QUITER than the petrol!! thats why the new touring car diesels have had to have gear shift lights fitted because they are quieter!! also proven inside BMW 535 at 70mph its 70dB in the 535D at 70 mph its 66dB. So thats that sorted out. right. next.....

Shouldn't mention 0-62. M-jetters start turning purple and spitting how irrelevent it is compared to in gear acceleration. :devil:

Because it is completely irrelevant?? who drives constantly flat out at 0-60!?!?!? lol. even that said. remapped mjet 0-60 good second faster than a Tjet. So thats that sorted out. right. next...........

Hi folks!

M-Jet or T-Jet? Yes, they accelerate fast. But are they smooth? I would go ahead and venture the idea that the 1.4 16v aspirated engine with its 90 HP will give both turbos a round for their money provided it is kept high through the revs. This plus there is no match for the smoothness of an aspirated engine. It is always there, always ready.

What? The turbos are already pulling like a truck @2000rpm? True - but for how long? I mean, the aspirated one pulls LONGER! It makes all the difference in the world! Ask any real racer! Between two similar cars (in terms of power) you pick the one with the max torque as high up through the range! It's not nonsense! Yes - for day to day you want that 200Nm@1900rpm, but for racing for winding roads, the 150Nm@4800rpm will pull you through faster. (Still, such a car is not forgiving at all. Miss a gear and your out of contention.)

I'd like to see a remapped 1.4 16v with a hollow crankshaft, lightweight cam shafts, lightweight pistons and increased compression ration! It's probably breach the 7000rpm border (reaching into Honda teritorry).

Anyone seconds this opinion?

Everyone talks about the petrol pulls for much longer in gear, well mine (and i can prove it with the map printout) pulls at peak 178bhp from 2000rpm all the way (without dropping) to 4500 rpm. So thats that sorted out.

You wont win guys. The only thing you might win on is handeling but even then thats yet to be proven that they are really that different.

 

[PeteyPye]

Yes it noiser when your just ticking over but what everyone overlooks is when your actually driving along the diesel is QUITER than the petrol!! thats why the new touring car diesels have had to have gear shift lights fitted because they are quieter!! also proven inside BMW 535 at 70mph its 70dB in the 535D at 70 mph its 66dB. So thats that sorted out. right. next.....



Because it is completely irrelevant?? who drives constantly flat out at 0-60!?!?!? lol. even that said. remapped mjet 0-60 good second faster than a Tjet. So thats that sorted out. right. next...........



Everyone talks about the petrol pulls for much longer in gear, well mine (and i can prove it with the map printout) pulls at peak 178bhp from 2000rpm all the way (without dropping) to 4500 rpm. So thats that sorted out.

You wont win guys. The only thing you might win on is handeling but even then thats yet to be proven that they are really that different.

M-Jet powerrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[OPC]

Yes it noiser when your just ticking over but what everyone overlooks is when your actually driving along the diesel is QUITER than the petrol!! thats why the new touring car diesels have had to have gear shift lights fitted because they are quieter!! also proven inside BMW 535 at 70mph its 70dB in the 535D at 70 mph its 66dB. So thats that sorted out. right. next.....



Because it is completely irrelevant?? who drives constantly flat out at 0-60!?!?!? lol. even that said. remapped mjet 0-60 good second faster than a Tjet. So thats that sorted out. right. next...........



Everyone talks about the petrol pulls for much longer in gear, well mine (and i can prove it with the map printout) pulls at peak 178bhp from 2000rpm all the way (without dropping) to 4500 rpm. So thats that sorted out.

You wont win guys. The only thing you might win on is handeling but even then thats yet to be proven that they are really that different.

M-Jet stupidityyyyyyyyy

 

[beany_bot]

M-Jet stupidityyyyyyyyy

you will all realise soon enough that diesels have overtaken petrol. soon enough kids, soon enough.

 

[Whintersby]

Even as someone who chose the M-Jet over the T-Jet, I still think BeanyBot is delusional

 

[puntokris]

Yes it noiser when your just ticking over but what everyone overlooks is when your actually driving along the diesel is QUITER than the petrol!! thats why the new touring car diesels have had to have gear shift lights fitted because they are quieter!! also proven inside BMW 535 at 70mph its 70dB in the 535D at 70 mph its 66dB. So thats that sorted out. right. next.....



Because it is completely irrelevant?? who drives constantly flat out at 0-60!?!?!? lol. even that said. remapped mjet 0-60 good second faster than a Tjet. So thats that sorted out. right. next...........



Everyone talks about the petrol pulls for much longer in gear, well mine (and i can prove it with the map printout) pulls at peak 178bhp from 2000rpm all the way (without dropping) to 4500 rpm. So thats that sorted out.

You wont win guys. The only thing you might win on is handeling but even then thats yet to be proven that they are really that different.

First of all the 'noise' reference is made to the actual sound of the car rather the actual db. So irrelevant.

Yes 0-60 isn't everything at all, but you're comparing a remapped diesel vs a standard petrol so a silly argument. Its like comparing a punto GT with a sporting.


Your mjet pulls 'all the way' to 4500rpm? wow.
If you read your graph properly its actually better to change before 4500rpm as not to be outside the best powerband.

How is the handling topic yet to be proven?? its basic physics, and been proven over and over again. Do you think somebody just made it up???

Even as someone who chose the M-Jet over the T-Jet, I still think BeanyBot is delusional

Same here.

 

[beany_bot]

First of all the 'noise' reference is made to the actual sound of the car rather the actual db. So irrelevant.



Yes 0-60 isn't everything at all, but you're comparing a remapped diesel vs a standard petrol so a silly argument. Its like comparing a punto GT with a sporting.



Your mjet pulls 'all the way' to 4500rpm? wow.
If you read your graph properly its actually better to change before 4500rpm as not to be outside the best powerband.

How is the handling topic yet to be proven?? its basic physics, and been proven over and over again. Do you think somebody just made it up???



Same here.

dB is amount of noise???? how is that irrelevant?? lol

True mine is remapped but most people (on here anyway do remap their diesels)

Em its not better to change before 4500 because like i said my powerband (post map) is 178bhp all the way to 4500

yeah the t-jet handles better, but how MUCH better?

 

[puntokris]

dB is amount of noise???? how is that irrelevant?? lol

True mine is remapped but most people (on here anyway do remap their diesels)

Em its not better to change before 4500 because like i said my powerband (post map) is 178bhp all the way to 4500

yeah the t-jet handles better, but how MUCH better?

Its the sound of the car thats relevant. Ie. the diesel sounding like a van. I don't mind a loud petrol because it still sounds better than a diesel. DB has never been the issue.

Whether most people remap their diesels on here or not, still irrelevant to the argument of standard cars.

It handles a noticeable amount better, its true with petrols in general, it always has been. I've drove both mjet and tjet.

 

[Whintersby]

Em its not better to change before 4500 because like i said my powerband (post map) is 178bhp all the way to 4500

I'd like to see your graph as I think you're misunderstanding something.

From graphs posted from red dot remaps in the past, peak power has been around 2500 rpm, therefore going all the way to 4500rpm really isn't the fastest way to drive.

thats why the new touring car diesels have had to have gear shift lights fitted because they are quieter!!

Got to come back to this also...

So now you're saying a touring car with all sound proofing removed is THAT quiet that the drivers need lights as they can't hear the engine?

I thought all touring cars had the lights now, but if anything, a diesel would need these more than a petrol, as after being born and bred on petrol engines, the drivers probably need help to know when to change gear in order to remain around the much lower peak output that they'd be used to when driving a petrol.

Only guessing mind.

 

[StevenRB45]

dB is amount of noise???? how is that irrelevant?? lol

True mine is remapped but most people (on here anyway do remap their diesels)

Em its not better to change before 4500 because like i said my powerband (post map) is 178bhp all the way to 4500

yeah the t-jet handles better, but how MUCH better?

Well as we were doing noise as part of our environment syllabus. When some plays music at 70db you could cope with that all day....however you couldn't cope with the noise of a road drill being played at 66db all day its not just the level its the character of the sound is it jarring, melodious, gentle or harsh...also they put more sound deadening in diesels to keep the early morning death rattle subdued.

 

[beany_bot]

Its the sound of the car thats relevant. Ie. the diesel sounding like a van. I don't mind a loud petrol because it still sounds better than a diesel. DB has never been the issue.

Whether most people remap their diesels on here or not, still irrelevant to the argument of standard cars.

It handles a noticeable amount better, its true with petrols in general, it always has been. I've drove both mjet and tjet.

yeah i see your point, just feeling argumentative (having bad day). It all depends what you want, i do plenty miles and wanted straight line seat pinning whomph so got the diesel, plenty people out there want to throw their car around and they should get the Tjet, obivously there are two different markets out there hence why they made the two different cars.

 

[clawliger]

this is practicaly the same as the xbox, playstation argument. lol. no side is ever going to win.

Go T-JET

 

[PeteyPye]

Xbox 360 is obviously better. Playstation is for n00bs, like T-Jets!

 

[beany_bot]

Xbox 360 is obviously better. Playstation is for n00bs, like T-Jets!

oh dear i disagree with that one ps3 is infinitley more powerfull than the xbox360. sofware developers arent even close to using its full power.

 

[PeteyPye]

But we have better games and Xbox Live smacks PS3 (even though we have to pay) but god damn I had to wait literally 10 mins to enter a COD4 game on PS3, where as Xbox, well - it's instant.

PS3 = lame.

 

[beany_bot]

But we have better games and Xbox Live smacks PS3 (even though we have to pay) but god damn I had to wait literally 10 mins to enter a COD4 game on PS3, where as Xbox, well - it's instant.

PS3 = lame.

just you wait. just you wait. Ive researched it alot, it has phenomanal power just waitng to be unleashed.

 

[PeteyPye]

just you wait. just you wait. Ive researched it alot, it has phenomanal power just waitng to be unleashed.

Come back to me when you have a valid argument PS3 fanboy

 

[Venters]

Beany you really need to listen to what more informed people say. Did you even read Arrons post? Thats the really long one thats well thought out and uses factual information.

 

[puntokris]

But we have better games and Xbox Live smacks PS3 (even though we have to pay) but god damn I had to wait literally 10 mins to enter a COD4 game on PS3, where as Xbox, well - it's instant.

PS3 = lame.

agreed!

just you wait. just you wait. Ive researched it alot, it has phenomanal power just waitng to be unleashed.

Haven't sony been saying that for the last two years now?

 

[beany_bot]

agreed!



Haven't sony been saying that for the last two years now?

its not sonys fault, its game devlopers being previously restricted by the Xbox360's CPU and now they dont have the engines and developments in place to fully utilise the PS3's power.

"Sony wins in tech-talk on this crucial ground, with two times the terraflopping of the Xbox 360."

"In terms of the active memory on access, the PS3 is three times as powerful as the Xbox 360."

"The cores really place the power in the hands of developers. The Xbox 360 has 3 running at 3.2GHz each, the PS3 has seven. So the PS3 is faster, much faster, which means it can do a lot more complex things. These days complex things refer to physics calculations and graphics operations"

"PS3 is able to output a higher-resolution (i.e., more high definition)"

I mean the facts are clear as day guys!! Software developers just need to learn how to fully utilise the PS3's power.

P.S. ps3 online is free!!