Technical Lights 600d 1964

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Technical Lights 600d 1964

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Help please.
I'm having trouble getting my lights to operate as stated in the owners manual.
I've tried everything I can think of. Only thing I haven't tested is outer light switch on wheel column.
Would anyone have a wiring diagram for this so I can check it's operating correctly.
The wiring diagram in the manuals doesn't show its internal connections.
Cheers
 
I have checked all the wires and they all are as the manual.
I set the fuse box as shown in the manual.
This gave Headlights on when sidelights should be and vise versa.
Also when ign is at 1 with switch 7 off Headlights and sidelights on.
I swopped cables and got following.

Ign switch 3
Switch 7 up
Outer control 1 Sidelights on Correct

Ign switch 1
Switch 7 up
Outer control 1 Sidelights on Should be nothing

Ign switch 1
Switch 7 down
Outer control 1 Headlights on/sidelights on Should be sidelights only

Ign switch 1
Switch 7 down
Outer control 2 Headlights on/sidelights on Correct

Ign switch 1
Switch 7 down
Outer control 3 Main beam on/sidelights on Correct

Can anyone confirm what I think I should have is correct?
I checked the stalk and I found that the grey cable is always live which dosent seem right.
Also no main beam if I push stalk which I think should have.
Don't understand when I've traced the wiring why the headlight and sidelight cables are switched, could I have a duff stalk unit?
I feel that I'm getting close now but if anyone's got any ideas or advice I'd love to hear.
 
After many hours I think I'm getting somewhere.
Put the fuse box back to as per manual.
The issue seems to be that the grey wire from the column unit has 12v when key is in 1 or 3 position so feeds headlamps.
I would think it should only be live once switch 17 is on and column lever in position 2.
So black wire from ign which feeds column is connected to grey wire when ign on.
Has anyone taken a column switch apart?
Can you adjust them?
Could I have the wrong column fitted, hence the issue?
I realise wiring is hard to offer any advice on, I'm writing this down mainly to stay sane as its doing my head in.
Any suggestions welcome I defo think it's column but don't want to take apart unless there's something can be done to it.
 
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Removed wires from column and tested against black feed for continuity in pos 1 2 3 on stalk.
See attached, I don't understand why grey is fed in pos 1 as it feeds the headlights so takes out switch 17?
Is my column faulty?
Anyone know what the readings should be?
 

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Don't really know how to move forward now.
Unless someone can confirm for me that the black and grey should have a circuit in pos 1 I don't know if it's faulty.
Don't want to buy a new column stalk to find its the same.
Any chance someone could check theirs pleeeeease?
 
The 1st thing I would suggest is not to panic, if necessary take a break from trying to diagnose what's wrong if you're getting stressed out. Often while not thinking about the problem (having exhausted everything you can think off), an answer or possible solution will pop into your head. It's a bit like mislaying something, you check everywhere you can think of, including some highly unlikely places and you start to panic. If you take a break, maybe overnight, sometimes a possible location just pops into your head the next morning and lo and behold, you find what you were searching for.

I did dismantle the column switch on my own 600 (back around 1978!) - by drilling out the rivets and replacing them with shortened 'Pop' rivets when reassembling.

[To shorten a Pop rivet, drive the pin/mandrel out of the aluminium rivet, shorten the rivet then re-insert the pin/mandrel and squeeze with your rivet gun Nowadays it might be possible to obtain very short 'pop' rivets e.g. Lidl occasionally sell some suitably very short ones in a selection box for small money or maybe try a good Motor Factors.]

I didn't find anything wrong inside my column switch after dismantling it and would have achieved just as much by spraying some switch/contact cleaner into it and saved much time and effort.

So I don't think it's necessary yet to dismantle the column switch (nor buy a new one until you've determined it's faulty) - you can probably check continuity of the various wires and switch contacts by probing in sideways. Of course, knowing which contacts and therefore which wires are connected in the various switch position would be very helpful but I don't think you've found this information yet? Can you look in sideways to see the contacts that each wire is connected to and the moving contacts that bridge the appropriate contacts and maybe figure things out this way?

Someone recently uploaded? a copy of an original Fiat 600D Owner's Manual here - it's available free in the Downloads section. I checked this out and it seems to have a slightly better wiring diagram as regards the switch internal connections than the one you posted.

Also bear in mind that on old cars, especially one that may have been unused for a long time, that switches etc. can corrode, stick on/off, fail to make contact. Don't forget to check the dashboard switches. Also the ignition switch may have become faulty? Are all bulbs ok, do all lights have a good earth?

If you can't manage to find the problem, report back here and I'll study the above wiring diagram in the Downloaded Fiat 600D Owner's Handbook and try to guide you through a possible fault finding process for whichever lights are not working.
 
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Hi thanks for reply its nice to bounce off someone. I've done just about all you list. I've checked just about every switch and wire for correct action and where they go.
The black wire is the 12v feed to the column which has 12v in the 1, 3, ignition position (correct). The issue seems that grey wire from column to fusebox is live at column position 1 which feeds headlamps. If it only became live at column position 2 everything would be OK.
See my diagram, if someone could tell me if their grey lead from column is live when ignition switched on and column in position 1 it would eliminate or prove column is correct.
 
Just looked up that wiring diagram, first I've seen showing internals of column.
To me it dosent look like (16) in position 1 black should have a connection to anything?
I'm wondering if someone's fitted the wrong column switch in the past?
 

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Hey @stocky. I just looked at the wiring out of my steering column and noticed that i didnt use the black wire for anything either.

Its tough for me to tell in the wiring diagram pics you posted what is what... but I labeled my wires when I used the meter to figure things out. I dont know if it will help you, but here goes:

Black - unused
yellow/black - horn
light blue - right turn signal
light blue/black - left turn signal
white/black - turn signal power supply 12v
both brown - 1st on position on light stalk connect to 12v
orange (or peach?) - 2nd on position on light stalk connect to 12v
light yellow (or white) and green/black and green - lights 12v supply (but not sure which is which)

I dont see a grey wire in my column. I hope that doesnt make matters worse. Keep us posted.
 
OK, I wired everything as book but disconnected the black 12v feed wire to stalk.
With ign in position 1 everything works correctly.
No lights until dash switch down then stalk
1 sidelights,
2 Headlights
3 beam

Ign switch on 3 and dash switch up nothing
Ign switch on 3 and dash switch down sidelights
Is that correct? It's gonna stay like that anyway

The black to column doesn't look like it's needed as it's jointed and goes to wiper.
Gonna put it all back and see if something dosent work.
Summersc thank you so much I would never have removed the black as the diagram shows it as feed from ignition.
Two years this has been bugging me, got there in the end.
 
Honestly, i think the switch and stalk strategy they employed when the car was new is a user experience nightmare. I considered trying to honor the original intent with the switches, ignition and stalk, but I could never expect anyone else driving the car to get stuff to work, so i mixed it up.

Instead, i simplified my car (since i had the chance). The ignition position no longer has any impact to the lights, or anything else. When the car is "on" everything can work. "On" for my car is the ignition position one click clockwise. I wired my car so that all lights require the ignition to be on.

Then, i deleted the dash switch. Instead, I wired the stalk like this:
1. Up, all lights off.
2. Down one, parking lights and low beams on.
3. Down two, parking lights and high beams on.

This feels like a normal, modern car and is quite intuitive to me. I have not had any inadvertent actuations when using the turn signal, which I was worried about.

Thats why, in my wiring list above, all three... light yellow (or white) and green/black and green... are just tied together and get 12V when the ignition is on.

Maybe that can inspire you, if you are feeling adventurous and wanna fix all this crap! Especially after that pint.

Then that unused dash switch can be wired to something fun... like a fog horn or fog lights or to play ice cream truck music.
 
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I hear what you say, my lights have always worked to a fashion but it's bugged me they're not as manual, I'm back from pub now and will probably study this better tomorrow.
Thanks again for your help
 
I'm stumped again, I have turns working with ign on and dash light switch off.
I have lights working with ignition on and dash switch on with stalk
1 sides
2 head
3 beam
But turns don't work.

They sometimes do slower then stop which makes me think something feeding back on itself.
Turns at stalk, black/white feed
Black/blue lh
blue rh
disconnected them at stalk and when i throw dash swith dosent affect feed to black/white.
Need a break to clear the mind
 
@stocky this is maybe a good clue! If your turn signals are sometimes on slow, in my experience, that means low voltage. I know you mentioned it still has 12V when you disconnect the supple at steering column with the lights on, which is confusing, but I have two ideas…

1. There is a turn indicator lamp on the dash, right? Is there a chance that lamp is getting power when the lights are on? I suggest maybe bypassing that lamp so make sure it’s not getting power somehow incorrectly and causing conflict in the turn signal circuit. Or maybe you can tell that it’s glowing when the lights are on?

2. Is there any chance the bulbs are inserted wrong at the turn lights? I have accidentally inserted the bulbs in backwards, since the old socket is so worn it would let me do so. The result was some confusing behaviour.

Just some thoughts. I’ll keep noodling. It’s hard to troubleshoot in forum format but we will keep trying! I have no doubt you’ll get it eventually.
 
Thanks I'll try those, can you confirm to me what you think the common for this switch is please.
One wire feeds the other two I want to check I have the correct feed wire.
 

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