Tuning Just had our camper 'remapped'

[Ffoxy]

Re: common sense please

If all that was genuine, why couldn't Quantum Tuning go along to the couriers/large fleet operators and sell it to them? Don't you think they would jump at the chance of saving all that fuel, etc etc

Read the Posts Peter... fuel saving isnt the deal here, although companies may market their products that way, but the reality is that some think they get a saving but others dont, if you go by the on board computer it looks like you save fuel, but doing the tank to tank calcs you dont...

Why do you have such a fixation on Fleet owners? To hell with them... this is a car / van / camper Forum, not a Fleet users Forum. People on here just want the performance, I'm sure if you actually read the Posts you'd get the idea...

Quite why you harp on about Quantum Tuning I dont know... they are new kids on a growing block. A simple Google Search for re-mapping will reveal probably hundreds of such companies, all making a living out of something that you feel doesnt work... even though there are literally thousands of happy Customers running a variety of good, bad or indifferent re-maps & tuning boxes. Time for you to move into the 21st century fella... I'm mystified...

 

[jip0]

Re: common sense please

If all that was genuine, why couldn't Quantum Tuning go along to the couriers/large fleet operators and sell it to them? Don't you think they would jump at the chance of saving all that fuel, etc etc

they can if they like but they don't aim there business there

as foxy said everyone wants performance from a re map and mpg gains are debatable

besides for a fleet to remap everyone of there vehicles would get quite expensive and it would take ages before it pays for itself

 

[Ffoxy]

Re: common sense please

they can if they like but they don't aim there business there

as foxy said everyone wants performance from a re map and mpg gains are debatable

besides for a fleet to remap everyone of there vehicles would get quite expensive and it would take ages before it pays for itself

Fleet users would probably prefer limiting their vehicles anyway... rather than turning them into fire breathing dragsters lol! I dont get his point at all.

 

[Peter James]

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Read the Posts Peter... fuel saving isnt the deal here, I'm mystified...

Then try reading the posts yourself. The opening post was from Quantum tuning who claim an increase of 5.7mpg.:bang:

 

[Ffoxy]

Re: common sense please

I read it, I read all Posts that I have an interest & experience with.

Quantum Tuning are wrong... You are fairly new to the Forum, this subject has been argued & discussed to death.

MPG is as much to do with the overall condition of a vehicle, it's tyres, weight carried, steering geometry, aero-dynamics, driving style & road conditions... the list goes on! How could anyone state a fuel economy inprovement against all that? The informed are aware of this, Caveat Emptor remember...

Same with power benefits... only a Rolling Road can give you an idea of what you get, & even that is subject to discussion, lighten up fella...

Ignore the Quantum Tuning thing & look more into re-mapping in general terms as a science by the good guys. There are real tangible benefits, there are also drawbacks as I have said in this Thread before. No good burying your head in the sand Peter... If it isnt for you then move on, if you see the light try it, with a good re-map you can easily have it taken off.

 

[jip0]

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Then try reading the posts yourself. The opening post was from Quantum tuning who claim an increase of 5.7mpg.:bang:

and if you read the posts you would see that the op is actually quantum tuning try to push there product pretending to be a normal user

so obviously there gonna be pushing it with whatever they can increase of MPG from a re map is debatable

im surprised the thread's not been closed yet

 

[Peter James]

Re: common sense please

they can if they like but they don't aim there business there

as foxy said everyone wants performance from a re map and mpg gains are debatable

besides for a fleet to remap everyone of there vehicles would get quite expensive and it would take ages before it pays for itself

Ask yourself why they don't aim their business there- because they would be laughed out of the place, because they have qualified fleet engineers who know what they are talking about. Of course it would cost more to remap more vehicles, but then it would save more, particularly with the mileage these fleets do. Gawd if it is economic for a camper van to have it done, why not the likes of City Link doing 60,000+ miles a year :bang:
PS: Do you believe all the adverts you read

 

[jip0]

Re: common sense please

read post number 26

 

[Peter James]

Re: common sense please

I read it, I read all Posts that I have an interest & experience with.

Quantum Tuning are wrong... MPG is as much to do with driving style & road conditions as anything else, the informed are aware of this, it's as simple as that. Caveat Emptor remember...

Same with power benefits... only a Rolling Road can give you an idea of what you get, & even that is subject to discussion, lighten up fella...

Ignore the Quantum Tuning thing & look more into re-mapping in general terms as a science by the good guys. There are real tangible benefits, there are also drawbacks as I have said in this Thread before. No good burying your head in the sand Peter... If it isnt for you then move on, if you see the light try it, with a good re-map you can easily have it taken off.

I don't doubt that engines can be remapped to produce more power, but at the expense of engine wear and fuel consumption. PSA remap the 2.2 punto engine to produce 120 hp instead of 100hp, but they add extra engineering to cope with the increased vibration, and even then it does about 11% less miles per gallon. (figures taken from the Citroen Relay handbook)
If these remaps were advertised as such I would have no issue with them. But Ducato owners are not usually boy racers. How many Ducato owners want increased power at such expense anyway?

 

[Ffoxy]

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Peter,... we dont believe the adverts... read the Posts! We have had re-maps and have personal experience of what we got versus what we expected, when I had my re-map I had a good chat with the Techs & was promised nothing! You are just shooting from the lip!

Just to be clear :-
DO NOT HAVE A RE-MAP EXPECTING TO SAVE FUEL...

Have a re-map if you want improved power performance, but use it wisely & check your service / maintenance plans. Once again I say... A decent re-map will take consideration of the vehicles tolerances & capabilities, they can be mapped way beyond all of that....

Vibration isnt an issue... I have no idea where that comes from, the engines dont rev any more than standard, they just produce better power within the rev range & shift the power band.

PSA engines are not as good as Fiat lumps by the way...

 

[willeywilson]

Re: common sense please

I'll take that as a 'No' then
You can't name any Fiat/PSA dealers who offer it
You can't name any competent fleet owners who have had it done.
All you can offer is personal abuse.The classic sign of someone who has lost an argument.
So I will waste no more time on you.

I know for a fact Saab dealers offer remaps to the tune of £800!!!

Ask yourself why they don't aim their business there- because they would be laughed out of the place, because they have qualified fleet engineers who know what they are talking about. Of course it would cost more to remap more vehicles, but then it would save more, particularly with the mileage these fleets do. Gawd if it is economic for a camper van to have it done, why not the likes of City Link doing 60,000+ miles a year :bang:
PS: Do you believe all the adverts you read

Just to make you aware there are plenty of qualified engineers on this forum, as well as the lights of Ffoxy who clearly knows what the hell he is on about!

Peter, you are getting stuck on the fuel consumption part, in truth remapping can actually save fuel!!! but that is a different remap from power remap like what Ffoxy had. The truth is most engines especially dervs are never achieving stochiometric efficiency, remappers use this to make the engine more efficient. In some cases this is done to improve power, in others power remains about standard whilst fuel consumption is slightly improved.

Please just go away for a day and read up on decent remapping companys and what they do as it's clear to me all's you are doing is reading the original bloody post!

 

[dave]

Re: common sense please

im surprised the thread's not been closed yet

no one has probably reported it yet. Or the mods are waiting for the op to come back with more info
but for peter here is a link to the forum rules https://www.fiatforum.com/rules.html
and the bit he should read says "You may not use discussions to recommend, praise, or belittle other products or services, or any company; without first hand experience of those products or services."

 

[Peter James]

Re: common sense please

Vibration isnt an issue... I have no idea where that comes from, the engines dont rev any more than standard, they just produce better power within the rev range & shift the power band.

So why do PSA fit a dual mass flywheel to the 100hp Ducato engine when they remap it to 120hp Some of the clowns on here claim to remap it to 130hp without any extra engineering at all. They should be telling PSA how to remap their engines

PSA engines are not as good as Fiat lumps by the way...

Thats a typically sweeping statement. Tested them all have you

 

[Peter James]

Re: common sense please

Please just go away for a day and read up on decent remapping companys and what they do as it's clear to me all's you are doing is reading the original bloody post!

Seriously, where can I read any independant reports on remapping companies. Who would bother to compile a report on them unless they had a vested interest in selling them. Or a publication who wants their adverts. Or a lazy journalist who just repeats what he is told. (Or had already shelled out money for a remap and didn't want to admit they have been taken for a sucker)

The big fleet owners, always looking for ways to save money, must have looked at this. So I say again. Why don't the big van fleet owners use them :bang:

 

[Ffoxy]

Re: common sense please

So why do PSA fit a dual mass flywheel to the 100hp Ducato engine when they remap it to 120hp Some of the clowns on here claim to remap it to 130hp without any extra engineering at all. They should be telling PSA how to remap their engines

Thats a typically sweeping statement. Tested them all have you

I'd imagine PSA have to do that because they know the motors come up short when making decent power.
I've owned Fiat, Peugeot, Ford & Mitsubishi diesels, and the Fiat diesel I had came with a DMF as standard straight out of the box... didnt need any "extra engineering" (what the hell were the French doing?)...

Better than the PSA units see.... :nerner:

 

[Ffoxy]

Re: common sense please

Seriously, where can I read any independant reports on remapping companies. Who would bother to write a report on them unless they had a vested interest in selling them. (Or had already shelled out money for a remap and didn't want to admit they have been taken for a sucker)

The big fleet owners, always looking for ways to save money, must have looked at this. So I say again. Why don't the big van fleet owners use them :bang:

Because there is no guarantee of fuel saving on a performance re-map!

I feel better now... but an Economy re-map can be a diiferent kettle of Fish. I would guess that VERY few on here have opted for the Economy re-map.

 

[dave]

Re: common sense please

Seriously, where can I read any independant reports on remapping companies. Who would bother to compile a report on them unless they had a vested interest in selling them. Or a publication who wants their adverts. Or a lazy journalist who just repeats what he is told. (Or had already shelled out money for a remap and didn't want to admit they have been taken for a sucker)

staff on this forum visited red dot one day to check it all out purely for the benefit of members who wanted an independent view.

they have never paid the forum or staff any money but now do offer a discount to forum members with a full money back guarantee

 

[Peter James]

Re: common sense please

I know for a fact Saab dealers offer remaps to the tune of £800!!!

Er this is the Ducato forum, (& the thread is from Quantum Tuning.)

 

[Ffoxy]

Re: common sense please

Er this is the Ducato forum, (& the thread is from Quantum Tuning.)

SAAB use Fiat diesel engines... forget Quantum Tuning like you seem to forget all the relevant points people are making in an attempt to educate you...

 

[jip0]

Re: common sense please

So why do PSA fit a dual mass flywheel to the 100hp Ducato engine when they remap it to 120hp Some of the clowns on here claim to remap it to 130hp without any extra engineering at all. They should be telling PSA how to remap their engines

Thats a typically sweeping statement. Tested them all have you

yes they claim to do it and maybe they did but it doesnt mean there car didnt have any problems in the long run

it has been said you could face problems but thats up to the person that did it