Tuning Just had our camper 'remapped'

[ChrisUK]

Re: common sense please

This thread delivers!!

Suck on that for fleet driving

 

[Ffoxy]

Re: common sense please

This thread delivers!!

Suck on that for fleet driving

 

[ExpertTuning]

Hi


If anyone in London or the South East would like to have their engine remapped, please contact me quoting that you are a FiatForum member.

While I understand the reluctance to believe an independent company can improve engine economy and performance, Ffoxy has hit the nail on the head with just one of the reasons the manufacturers map can be improved. There are others, including holding engines back purely for marketing reasons to differentiate one model of a car from a more expensive version.

Only today I received a testimonial from a Ducato owner that is delighted with the transformation of his Motorhome (remapped a couple of months ago and put to trial during an evaluation period). Despite the fact he now tows a car behind it he is praising much improved pulling power as well as an improvement in excess of 10% on his MPG.

Remaps work for very good reasons. If you'd like to talk over what you could expect from your car or van, or just to understand remapping more, feel free to call.

Paul
ExpertTuning
01883 341774 or 07525 479932

 

[Ffoxy]

Hi


If anyone in London or the South East would like to have their engine remapped, please contact me quoting that you are a FiatForum member.

While I understand the reluctance to believe an independent company can improve engine economy and performance, Ffoxy has hit the nail on the head with just one of the reasons the manufacturers map can be improved. There are others, including holding engines back purely for marketing reasons to differentiate one model of a car from a more expensive version.
Only today I received a testimonial from a Ducato owner that is delighted with the transformation of his Motorhome (remapped a couple of months ago and put to trial during an evaluation period). Despite the fact he now tows a car behind it he is praising much improved pulling power as well as an improvement in excess of 10% on his MPG.

Remaps work for very good reasons. If you'd like to talk over what you could expect from your car or van, or just to understand remapping more, feel free to call.

Paul
ExpertTuning
01883 341774 or 07525 479932

Post #17 Peter James also pushed the point about over-stressing drive-train components Paul, which I duly acknowledged, re-mapped vehicles need to be driven sympathetically & cared for maybe just a bit more. I personally shortened my cambelt change period & service intervals, my choice, however I could not see that being the case for Fleet vehicles which was the point he was fixed & focussed on it seems...

 

[ExpertTuning]

Agreed that a remapped vehicle needs to have good care taken of it. One of the reasons manufacturers may under-tune vehicles is the expectation of poor maintenenace, poor fuel and poor lubricants in some areas of the world. My own invoices reinforce the fact that proper maintenenace periods should be adhered to, and that decent quality oils should be used.

I think it is very fair to say that the issue is very much dependent on the way a driver uses his remapped engine. If it has been remapped because the peak power is going to be used constantly, to its limits, there will naturally be more wear and tear. If the power is used primarily to provide better low-rev pulling power, using the additional torque for easier driving styles and reducing gear changes, then the issue is a different one and the effect on wear and tear will be negligible if not non-existent. The economy drivers that want the remap for better MPG would fall into this camp too.

Thanks for the balanced view. Its an educational process!

Paul

 

[Ffoxy]

Couldnt agree more Paul, I for one was very, very pleased with my re-map, I did 72,000 miles with it & there was no deterioration in my economy. There was also no discernable improvement.

I'd certainly say "yes" to a re-map for anyone wanting to explore a car's full potential, but they do need all the facts discussed in this Thread & others to hand. It's not something anyone should do on a whim, nor should they neglect to inform their insurers.

I definitely miss the grunt my 1.9 MJet had after its re-map, I'm now in a 1.6 litre N/A injection petrol.

But I made the change as I was not too happy stressing about Turbo, DMF, EGR etc etc we get on modern diesels... so much less stressed now I dont have that lot to think about! Unfortunately the 1.6 16valve Hyundai lump in my i30 has little potential from any re-mapping, but it keeps things simple lol!

 

[jip0]

Agreed that a remapped vehicle needs to have good care taken of it. One of the reasons manufacturers may under-tune vehicles is the expectation of poor maintenenace, poor fuel and poor lubricants in some areas of the world. My own invoices reinforce the fact that proper maintenenace periods should be adhered to, and that decent quality oils should be used.

I think it is very fair to say that the issue is very much dependent on the way a driver uses his remapped engine. If it has been remapped because the peak power is going to be used constantly, to its limits, there will naturally be more wear and tear. If the power is used primarily to provide better low-rev pulling power, using the additional torque for easier driving styles and reducing gear changes, then the issue is a different one and the effect on wear and tear will be negligible if not non-existent. The economy drivers that want the remap for better MPG would fall into this camp too.

Thanks for the balanced view. Its an educational process!

Paul

while your hear might as well ask on this thread

is it often people get there car remapped purely for MPG reasons?

 

[ExpertTuning]

Hi Jip0

Yes - many people get their engines remapped for economy reasons. There are a few things to be aware of.....

MPG improvements are pretty much guaranteed for turbo-diesels, along with great increases in power and flexibility. Although I tend to play it safe, and quote that TD drivers will get between 8% and 10% improvement, they will often get more. Up to 20% is occassionally gained, but I'd never want to set such an expectation for most drivers. It all very much depends on driving style, conditions and the exact vehicle concerned. The cars that were very underpowered to start with often get the higher gains.

Turbo-petrol engines might get a small improvement of a few percent in MPG, but will get a fantastic improvement in power with the associated driving benefits. Normally aspirated petrol engines will enjoy a small power improvement (usually about 8%), offering better flexibility and be nicer adrive after a remap but I'd not set any expectation of improved fuel consumption. It won't be worse, but it won't usually improve by any significant amount.

Summing up - I'd guarantee wothwhile MPG improvements for turbo-diesels, while with petrol engines I'd always advise any MPG improvements would be a bonus alongside a better drive.

I hope that helps...

Paul

 

[ExpertTuning]

Following the interest in this particular thread, I'm going to make an offer.

If any FiatForum wants a remap and agrees to have it done by the end of Friday this week (i.e. by 30th September), I'll do it for them for a very low price of £150 if they come to me. It will be a custom remap - and you can decide whether you want it for economy, power or a well-balanced combination of the two.

ExpertTuning is based just off the M25/M23 junction.

If you're interested, please give me a call on 07525 479932 with details of the vehicle or drop me an e-mail to [email protected] so I can confirm what you should expect from your engine.

Paul

 

[Peter James]

Summing up - I'd guarantee wothwhile MPG improvements for turbo-diesels,
Paul

Guarantee eh?
What guarantee is that then?
The 60,000 miles a year courier fleets must be queueing at your door. I'm surprised you've got time to post on here

 

[dave]

Guarantee eh?
What guarantee is that then?
The 60,000 miles a year courier fleets must be queueing at your door. I'm surprised you've got time to post on here

are you after the most boring member of the year award?
no one is interested in your opinion based on nothing, close the door on your way out

 

[Peter James]

Guarantee?

are you after the most boring member of the year award?
no one is interested in your opinion based on nothing, close the door on your way out

Is that your way of saying there isn't really a guarantee?

 

[bludvl_x19]

Re: Guarantee?

No, its his way of saying you are becoming boring.

 

[ExpertTuning]

For those that are interested, our guarantee is for MPG improvements of 8% plus on turbo-diesel engines, or we return your vehicle to standard and refund your money. Naturally you get average BHP improvements of 25% on the turbo-diesels too.

We also guarantee noticeable power improvements on turbo-petrol and NA petrol engines, although NA engines will normally gain only 8% or so. Turbo-petrol engines normally gain 20%+. We go for a test drive with the vehicle owner after every remap. Believe me we wouldn't embarrass ourselves if we didn't make a worthwhile difference.

Our work is covered by full motortrade insurance. We run a diagnostic check on all vehicles before the remap to ensure there are no existing problems to be repaired.

Any questions, please feel free to call.

Paul

01883 341774 or 07525 479932

 

[PeterM]

Wow. Wrong country

 

[Peter James]

Re: Guarantee?

No, its his way of saying you are becoming boring.

Ah I see he is listed as a trader. So its quite enlightening to see how he talks to people who enquire about a guarantee. :devil:

 

[Peter James]

For those that are interested, our guarantee is for MPG improvements of 8% plus on turbo-diesel engines, or we return your vehicle to standard and refund your money. Naturally you get average BHP improvements of 25% on the turbo-diesels too.

We also guarantee noticeable power improvements on turbo-petrol and NA petrol engines, although NA engines will normally gain only 8% or so. Turbo-petrol engines normally gain 20%+. We go for a test drive with the vehicle owner after every remap. Believe me we wouldn't embarrass ourselves if we didn't make a worthwhile difference.

Our work is covered by full motortrade insurance. We run a diagnostic check on all vehicles before the remap to ensure there are no existing problems to be repaired.

Any questions, please feel free to call.

Paul

01883 341774 or 07525 479932

Thank you for your civil reply.
But, in all seriousness, if this is genuine, why are you not selling it to the large fleets, let alone the manufacturers. This would sell worldwide. You could licence this to the vehicle manufacturers and make millions out of it.

 

[bludvl_x19]

What more do you want than this post?

For those that are interested, our guarantee is for MPG improvements of 8% plus on turbo-diesel engines, or we return your vehicle to standard and refund your money. Naturally you get average BHP improvements of 25% on the turbo-diesels too.

We also guarantee noticeable power improvements on turbo-petrol and NA petrol engines, although NA engines will normally gain only 8% or so. Turbo-petrol engines normally gain 20%+. We go for a test drive with the vehicle owner after every remap. Believe me we wouldn't embarrass ourselves if we didn't make a worthwhile difference.

Our work is covered by full motortrade insurance. We run a diagnostic check on all vehicles before the remap to ensure there are no existing problems to be repaired.

Any questions, please feel free to call.

Paul

01883 341774 or 07525 479932

 

[Peter James]

obvious

Well I hope people will read the posts here and make up their own mind about that.

 

[dave]

Re: Guarantee?

Ah I see he is listed as a trader. So its quite enlightening to see how he talks to people who enquire about a guarantee. :devil:

i'm not a trader, i think you are forgetting who wrote what even though you quoted them