Sweet. Thanks guys. Temp sensor is the sensor in the exhaust manifold right? Soz Injection is still quite new to me. lol:bang:
Technical Idle speed - CLX inj.
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Nope, that's the lambda sensor. The temp sensor is in the inlet manifold, just by the spare wheel and has a blue wiring connector on it.
Nope, that's the lambda sensor. The temp sensor is in the inlet manifold, just by the spare wheel and has a blue wiring connector on it.
Ah, cool. On the Cinquecento i had it was the cold start sensor...although i guess its the same thing lol. D'oh.
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I must admit my Parade's radiator fan kicks in at about 90 degrees and will keep flicking on from then on. My old Dance the fan didn't hit until 110.
Mine does rev a little high too (not half as high as it used to) think I will try a new temp sender.
Mine does rev a little high too (not half as high as it used to) think I will try a new temp sender.
Fan switch or gauges to blame here though?
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ofcourse, two different senders.
Maybe I will get one of each.
Maybe I will get one of each.
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Little update for you!
I've been using the CLX for the past few days as Charmania's interior is gutted, I've covered about 400 miles and the fuel consumption is working out at 40.5 mpg, before I changed the temp sensor it was averaging 30, That's a hell of an improvement, and the sensor has paid for itself already.
I've been using the CLX for the past few days as Charmania's interior is gutted, I've covered about 400 miles and the fuel consumption is working out at 40.5 mpg, before I changed the temp sensor it was averaging 30, That's a hell of an improvement, and the sensor has paid for itself already.
Bought a new sensor today, I had the choice of two, unfortunatley I took the wrong one:bang: as I didn't know what type of sensor mine had until I took it out this afternoon.
I did put the new sensor in, it took a while to start and then misfired for a few seconds, but after that it did seem to run better than before. I'm going to change it for the other type anyway as there has to be some sort of difference between them, so the old sensor is back in for now.
It seems that Pandas with Bosch injection use the sensor with the flat end and ones with Weber injection use the one with the chamfered end.
I did put the new sensor in, it took a while to start and then misfired for a few seconds, but after that it did seem to run better than before. I'm going to change it for the other type anyway as there has to be some sort of difference between them, so the old sensor is back in for now.
It seems that Pandas with Bosch injection use the sensor with the flat end and ones with Weber injection use the one with the chamfered end.
Got the other sensor fitted on Monday, but now I am having starting problems:bang: Its doing the same thing as I said in my post above, not starting and then misfiring for a while. Since it was doing this with a different sensor in I am thinking that the ECU may have got confused by having the 3 different sensors connected, so I'm going to try an ECU reset, if that makes no difference I'll have to get another new sensor.
Did an ECU reset on Friday, thought it had made a difference as it started fine yesterday morning, but yesterday afternoon it was doing the same thing again. Put the original sensor back in just and its still doing it, so it isn't the sensor.
Anyone got any ideas what it could be? I'm stumped
Anyone got any ideas what it could be? I'm stumped
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Did an ECU reset on Friday, thought it had made a difference as it started fine yesterday morning, but yesterday afternoon it was doing the same thing again. Put the original sensor back in just and its still doing it, so it isn't the sensor.
Anyone got any ideas what it could be? I'm stumped
Sorry to hear that didn't work for you. I think you're going to have to bite the bullet and have someone test the engine management. As previously mentioned, I found someone who did it in five minutes and charged me nothing, so if you do go somewhere and they want to charge you more than a half hours labour (often the minimum charge) walk away. I'm hoping you can find somewhere like I did.
Just remembered the Lambda sensor, might be this but it's a bit dearer than a temp sensor so I'd go for getting a cheap test done first.
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I'm not sure that the Bosch ECU even has a diagnostics connector, can anyone confirm?
I'm abit annoyed that I decided to change the sensor now as it has obviously upset something as the car ran fine before and never failed to start.
I'm abit annoyed that I decided to change the sensor now as it has obviously upset something as the car ran fine before and never failed to start.
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I don't know enough about these modern systems to comment on whether fitting the wrong temp sensor first of all would have done any damage, in my mind they are all just variable resistors so can't do much harm, maybe someone else can enlighten us on that.
Just to recap on what you've done so far....
Fitted wrong sensor from the choice of two.
Fitted correct sensor.
Refitted original sensor.
Is this correct?
Yes, although I refitted the original sensor inbetween fitting the wrong sensor and then fitting the new correct one.
I did think about if I could have done any damage by fitting the wrong sensor, but as you say they are only variable resistors, but then why are there two different types.
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It may be that electrically they are the same, it's only the shape at the end that is different, don't know, I'm only guessing now. It's a pitty you don't live a bit closer, you could go to the same guy I did.
Well I fitted another new sensor today and it seems to now be starting ok. The other new sensor didn't really look very new, it was very gubby and one of the pins was bent when I got it, so someone has probably had the same thing as me and it has just got put back on the shelf to be sold again. Still that doesnt explain why the orinigal sensor has suddenly stopped working, as I said it has never failed to start before with it in.
Anyway hopefully it is sorted, I almost had to call the AA yesterday as it died on me driving home from work, luckily I managed to get it going again after a while and it was ok once it was warmed up.
Anyway hopefully it is sorted, I almost had to call the AA yesterday as it died on me driving home from work, luckily I managed to get it going again after a while and it was ok once it was warmed up.
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Keeping my fingers crossed for you.
Well the problem still remains at least I know it definately isn't the sensor now. Going to have to try and find someone with a code reader, although I've found out I could get all the bits I need to do it myself for £50 so I may do that if all else fails.
at least I know it definately isn't the sensor now. Going to have to try and find someone with a code reader, although I've found out I could get all the bits I need to do it myself for £50 so I may do that if all else fails.
I've just bought a CLX with the inj. engine and similarly I have the same problem.
It seems to have a somewhat bizzare idle speed that changes with the wind although that sorts itself out after a while.
The other thing I've noticed though is that it takes quite a long time for the engine to wind down again after you let off the accelerator. In my '88 I had quite a responsive throttle that would let off as quickly as it picked up - but this engine seems much more......relaxed?
I've not really had a proper look though as I'm buffing the body work up to it's original ferrari red. Can't see any obvious dangling wires etc Maybe it just had the ECU set to 'lazy.'
Who can unlock it to 'mildy enthusiastic' ?
It seems to have a somewhat bizzare idle speed that changes with the wind although that sorts itself out after a while.
The other thing I've noticed though is that it takes quite a long time for the engine to wind down again after you let off the accelerator. In my '88 I had quite a responsive throttle that would let off as quickly as it picked up - but this engine seems much more......relaxed?
I've not really had a proper look though as I'm buffing the body work up to it's original ferrari red. Can't see any obvious dangling wires etc Maybe it just had the ECU set to 'lazy.'
Who can unlock it to 'mildy enthusiastic' ?
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Change the coolant temp sensor, they only cost about a tenner and take literally about 2 minutes to change, should make some difference, although bear in mind what lewey said in your thread about the ECUs being mapped for economy. Unfortunately they cant be remapped.
