General I see the 'DTR have a new website' thread has been removed

[bumble]

wouldnt they have seen it in the AW sidebar?



the B social group is within the B forum,right at the top

I think this thread is a good example of what can lead to a debate. Surely the forum is a social thing and as Pete has pointed out, there are some canny lads and lasses on here (Ant and Dec). If posts are made in good faith and with no monetary gain intended, thats all that matters. I for one dont really care much for too much organisation, I'm a right brainer. BTW Dave, I'm not getting at you either.. just getting my 0.02 pounds worth. Steve

 

[dave]

no monetary gain banter is fine ( if its about the car the section is for), unless its an auction watch then it goes in there prefixed as a B thread, so people can find it easy an not miss out

 

[custard]

I think this thread is a good example of what can lead to a debate. Surely the forum is a social thing and as Pete has pointed out, there are some canny lads and lasses on here (Ant and Dec). If posts are made in good faith and with no monetary gain intended, thats all that matters. I for one dont really care much for too much organisation, I'm a right brainer. BTW Dave, I'm not getting at you either.. just getting my 0.02 pounds worth. Steve

but then we have complaints from members about all the drivel (sp) in the sections
they may not post it on the threads but many members want leisure lounge type stuff in the LL section.
the prefix system in AW for example is great
select your car models prefix and all the threads are pure ebay links for just your model

 

[bumble]

Drivel? Bumbling maybe!

 

[ben]

Dave, my point was it wouldn't have attracted as many comments in Auction Watch or For Sale even if it were a car he was breaking himself and asking who wanted what.

Unless someone posted a link in the Barchetta forum, which is forbidden

Have some of you got the "right bar" turned off? (this was an old option on the forum to high the bar on the front page) As this is where the confusion might lie.

If you check in your options in the "User CP" and make sure it is turned on, you will then see on the forum listing page a new bar down the right hand side. This lists all model specific items for sale, wanted, auction watch and group buys

 

[wish mine was orange]

ok me thick !! i have checked and i have the right bar on, so when i go to home page is should be able to see aw for B is that right cause i dont? why not

 

[dave]

should see it here https://www.fiatforum.com/barchetta/

 

[Twilight Johnny Atom]

Just my (therefore selfish) opinion but what I would like from this forum is pretty much what we used to have:

A single point of reference for barchetta related discussion and advice, with stickies for threads which need them. That's pretty much it.

What I don't want is that point of reference subdivided into separate areas, some of which need separate registration, and cluttered up by side bars, ebay links, members motors pictures etc. I can find all of those items myself. I also don't see the point in having to prefix new threads to explain if they are General, Technical, Styling or Tuning since the thread title or contents will make that clear. Does anyone pay any attention to that anyway?

The barchetta social group - which I haven't joined - appears to contain threads which should be on the main barchetta forum so it's either confusing people or not being moderated efficiently.

And finally, while I'm on a roll, it's all very well being slightly dictatorial in moderating style (as is sometimes the case) but don't forget we are your 'customers'. One extremely valuable member of this forum has left, apparently because of the way he was treated by moderators, and contributions from some other high profile members appear to have reduced since then. That is a shame as far as I'm concerned. Maybe the fact that 'us b lot' - as we have been called by a mod - are not that interested in the fact that someone spotted a yellow Punto on the A452. Perhaps that doesn't suit the Fiat Forum way, but that's how it is I'm afraid.

 

[custard]

Just my (therefore selfish) opinion but what I would like from this forum is pretty much what we used to have:

A single point of reference for barchetta related discussion and advice, with stickies for threads which need them. That's pretty much it.

What I don't want is that point of reference subdivided into separate areas, some of which need separate registration, and cluttered up by side bars, ebay links, members motors pictures etc. I can find all of those items myself. I also don't see the point in having to prefix new threads to explain if they are General, Technical, Styling or Tuning since the thread title or contents will make that clear. Does anyone pay any attention to that anyway?

The barchetta social group - which I haven't joined - appears to contain threads which should be on the main barchetta forum so it's either confusing people or not being moderated efficiently.

And finally, while I'm on a roll, it's all very well being slightly dictatorial in moderating style (as is sometimes the case) but don't forget we are your 'customers'. One extremely valuable member of this forum has left, apparently because of the way he was treated by moderators, and contributions from some other high profile members appear to have reduced since then. That is a shame as far as I'm concerned. Maybe the fact that 'us b lot' - as we have been called by a mod - are not that interested in the fact that someone spotted a yellow Punto on the A452. Perhaps that doesn't suit the Fiat Forum way, but that's how it is I'm afraid.

why have loads of stickys when you can create guides and FAQ's in specific sections?hardly anybody reads sticky threads

as for prefixes in cento we have members who love the prefix as they can(in their words) go straight to the tech posts they want
whats the hassle?,you select the prefix and if you dont seperate it makes no difference
you have a choice to embrace the changes or not. having an E-tantrum on the forum is not the way to address issues
Ben put a lot of effort into changing features to suit members
just the other day a stilo member was looking for a thread with pictures of a certain stilo
this was easily found in MM because it could be filtered by model

social groups,you havent joined so are obviously not interested.every post has a report button if you feel it needs moderating.
members previously moaned about over moderation in social groups

you are a member,not a customer
members contribute,customers expect service
if you dont want to see a punto spotted thread then you select the B prefix,simple

 

[Twilight Johnny Atom]

If you think that's an "E-tantrum" I'm wasting my breath. Also I didn't say there was any hassle and if you don't think discussion is the way to address issues then what is? This thread seems to be generating a decent amount of discussion which mods are responding to. I've added my contribution, nothing personal.

If someone is putting a lot of effort into changes 'to suit members' then how will they know if they are working without members comments about them?

 

[custard]

https://www.fiatforum.com/site-ideas/


given you said you can already find the sections you need
then why didnt you?

you selected one word from my post for your reply

 

[ben]

What I don't want is that point of reference subdivided into separate areas, some of which need separate registration, and cluttered up by side bars, ebay links, members motors pictures etc. I can find all of those items myself.

The problem was though, a lot of members couldn't. We are just too big as a forum to allow chaos to rein, before it was ok, but we do need some organisation

Prefixing was to get rid of the old sub forums (I dont know if you remember, but General, Tech and Styling were actually all different forums within the Barchetta one).

By keeping all AW threads in one forum, MM in another all catalogued by prefix, it allows a lot better future expansion as things can be easily referenced.

The social groups were brought in as too many people were complaining the model forums were getting full of junk and off topic postings. Thus they now have their own little section - as to why you need to join the group, it's simply to stop people just coming in and causing trouble.

Only one click and a short wait and you'll be in anyway

 

[Twilight Johnny Atom]

<edit - to custard>

What is the point of that kind of response? This is being discussed here. If I feel strongly enough about it I'll make my point in the relevant place (which I am well aware of thanks, no need for your patronising reply).

I selected one word (not really a word to be honest) because it was an over-reaction to my (valid) points. The rest of your response I might not agree with but I took on board.

You're not actually helping me feel happier about the way things are being done here.

 

[Twilight Johnny Atom]

We are just too big as a forum to allow chaos to rein...

Hmm... take a look at any model specific subdivision on probably the largest motoring forum in the world (I'm sure you know the one I mean) and you'll see there's no need to overcomplicate things. It works there.

Only one click and a short wait and you'll be in anyway

But I'm in anyway. I come here for a quick look at a few threads, why do I need another click and another registration? If the the model forums were getting full of junk and off topic postings that's for moderators to sort out by moving threads isn't it?

Anyway, this wasn't intended to be a slagging of the way things work here, just a continuation of the discussion in relation to how things suit me as a barchetta owner. You have your reasons for doing things the way you do but that won't change the fact that in a motoring forum environment I'm after a simple browsing and interacting experience with other owners of the same car, nothing more or less.

 

[HP]

I can see on the busier sections how indexing and filing might be required, but it isn't really busy in Barchetta so things can end up spread about quite a lot. I can also see why the site would be a bit odd if all the sections were run differently and set up differently.

Re: social groups - at the time of posting this, the last entry in the B social group was three days ago, the next most popular thread was last added to three weeks back.

 

[custard]

Hmm... take a look at any model specific subdivision on probably the largest motoring forum in the world (I'm sure you know the one I mean) and you'll see there's no need to overcomplicate things. It works there.



But I'm in anyway. I come here for a quick look at a few threads, why do I need another click and another registration? If the the model forums were getting full of junk and off topic postings that's for moderators to sort out by moving threads isn't it?

Anyway, this wasn't intended to be a slagging of the way things work here, just a continuation of the discussion in relation to how things suit me as a barchetta owner. You have your reasons for doing things the way you do but that won't change the fact that in a motoring forum environment I'm after a simple browsing and interacting experience with other owners of the same car, nothing more or less.

however we used to(less now i think) get a lot of noobs complaining they found it hard to work out where to post in the forums
now at least as long as they click their model name its in the right bit

 

[ben]

Hmm... take a look at any model specific subdivision on probably the largest motoring forum in the world (I'm sure you know the one I mean) and you'll see there's no need to overcomplicate things. It works there.



But I'm in anyway. I come here for a quick look at a few threads, why do I need another click and another registration? If the the model forums were getting full of junk and off topic postings that's for moderators to sort out by moving threads isn't it?

Anyway, this wasn't intended to be a slagging of the way things work here, just a continuation of the discussion in relation to how things suit me as a barchetta owner. You have your reasons for doing things the way you do but that won't change the fact that in a motoring forum environment I'm after a simple browsing and interacting experience with other owners of the same car, nothing more or less.

Sorry, which forum is that?

I dont see how we are over complicating things though, a simple thread prefix is all you need when making a post. If you have something for sale, you put it in the classifieds, if you find an auction you post it in AW (there is even a direct link on the right) and if you want to post photos of your car you put it in MM.

If there was no filing and you wanted to find a photo of someones car.... how would you do it? YOu couldn't filter all the photos like you can now (in the MM) - or if you had seen an interesting auction ....

The right bar keeps all the current stuff in full view.

As for social groups not having much in them.... that's down to you guys!!! If you want to post something there, go ahead and do it - that's what it's for

 

[custard]

as Ben demonstrated here

https://www.fiatforum.com/barchetta/213436-barchetta-photos-wanted-please.html

 

[ben]

as Ben demonstrated here

https://www.fiatforum.com/barchetta/213436-barchetta-photos-wanted-please.html

I didn't actually plan that ... after I finished posting this I just looked in the main forum and there it was

 

[dave]

If someone is putting a lot of effort into changes 'to suit members' then how will they know if they are working without members comments about them?

it has to be to suit all members though not just a hand full