I.D cards
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I can see where dave and others are coming from, because this type of thing could be exploited and would cause a 'new type of crime' and also no one likes the idea of the 'big brother' scenario......
But, i feel that this is a good idea still. My main reason being that it would cetainly be a deterent to all of the low life scum that comit the pety crimes that the police don't have the time for. If everyone's dna was on records then surely a fair few crimes would be solved in seconds
I think that the people who object to giving any finger prints or dna tests, have something to hide.
I can see where dave and others are coming from, because this type of thing could be exploited and would cause a 'new type of crime' and also no one likes the idea of the 'big brother' scenario......
But, i feel that this is a good idea still. My main reason being that it would cetainly be a deterent to all of the low life scum that comit the pety crimes that the police don't have the time for. If everyone's dna was on records then surely a fair few crimes would be solved in seconds
I think that the people who object to giving any finger prints or dna tests, have something to hide.
I just think as Helz suggested, it should be combined with everything from N.I to insurance to med card to passport - well at least enough to go to the EU. I also think DNA/finger printing would prevent so much crime if it was all stored but I am yet to be given firm evidence that the quality of these are enough to base our lives around it. Can you imagine the savings if all of those different areas from driving licensing to NI could be put into one large dept. etc.? Problem is it would require a large investment and billions of money for the computing system, it would run late and cost 4x what it was expected to.
I have done a bit of work on the nation being a Nanny State and am well aware of the drawbacks, I just feel that the benefits outweight the negatives. This new card they are considering will be stupid - it won't be legal to carry it, just the law you can make it available at request. Excellent waste of time.
I feel Blunket should resign rather than launching an investigation, after all, it is him who's saying that people should be inprisoned without trial!
Steve I know your feelings but I don't see how such a card could achieve what you're stating?
I have done a bit of work on the nation being a Nanny State and am well aware of the drawbacks, I just feel that the benefits outweight the negatives. This new card they are considering will be stupid - it won't be legal to carry it, just the law you can make it available at request. Excellent waste of time.
I feel Blunket should resign rather than launching an investigation, after all, it is him who's saying that people should be inprisoned without trial!
Steve I know your feelings but I don't see how such a card could achieve what you're stating?
On one of your points Paulie, it would be illogical to combine the various departments as they all serve different purposes. But presumably some new quango will be set up to administer this anyway. Would it really be much harder for them to co-ordinate the different information required on the card and control access? An example of this is going on right now in the NHS, where all relevant parties will be able to access different parts of your medical records, with access being controlled dependent on role. For example I as a pharmacist won't be able to see data relating to surgical operations and physiotherapists won't be able to see the data I enter about someone's medicines as it's irrelevant to our work. If NHSnet or whatever they're now calling it is a success, this could be a blueprint for future inter-agency collaborations.
Well you get what I mean Helzie
I can see a lot of administrative problems with combining all the cards. Whilst the depts. could remain separate, they would have to run the same or compatable computer systems in order to recognise and change data on the same cards. One thing that would make that very difficult is that most large organisations use bespoke software designed specifically for what they do or specifically for a group of similar organisations that require similar functionality. It would be very difficult to combine the functionality of all their systems or even to enable them to communicate with eachother.
A way around this would be to create a software relevant to all depts. that just dealt with the cards, but it then still have to communicate with the individual systems on some level.
I agree that there should be a record of everyone's prints, DNA, dental records, etc. somewhere central that the police can have access to, but I think they should only be allowed access with good reason, because information like DNA can be used for good or bad.
A way around this would be to create a software relevant to all depts. that just dealt with the cards, but it then still have to communicate with the individual systems on some level.
I agree that there should be a record of everyone's prints, DNA, dental records, etc. somewhere central that the police can have access to, but I think they should only be allowed access with good reason, because information like DNA can be used for good or bad.
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if we had all our info on one card, life would be much easier.....until you lost it. then anyone could steal your ID. This is becoming much more common recently and anything that can be done to help it must be stopped. ID card's already exist, driving licences
Another difficulty with having everything on one card is when you need to change details on one aspect of the card, you no longer have the other things.
I realise that could be an advantage, for example change of address, only one change to make. The other side is, adding points to your licence and you lose all of your forms of ID.
I realise that could be an advantage, for example change of address, only one change to make. The other side is, adding points to your licence and you lose all of your forms of ID.
But how can they steal your ID if it's got a picture of you, your DNA and say fingerprints on it?
Haven't you seen face off. I guess the idea is that they steal the information and change the bit that don't tally.
I agree with Paul. 20 cards to carry around? where? Which governement cards do you have to carry around Helz? There's no need to carry birth cert, passport, driving licence with you so which 20 governent cards are you carrying? If you chose to carry 20 credit cards that's up to you.
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on this point i have a fair bit of info. my dad was heading up the photographs on licenses project the DVLA ran a few years ago and they did look into having a single card for everything then but decided it wasnt feasible. Anyhow, you cant complain about an extra card to carry around - how big is it gonna be and how many credit cards etc... do you have now?? and how many of you carry your driving licenses - cos you dont need to, take that out and put the ID card in.
Im all for it - hell, why not make it into a debit card, bin cash altogether and then it would stop little people buying alcohol and cigarettes and stuff
Im all for it - hell, why not make it into a debit card, bin cash altogether and then it would stop little people buying alcohol and cigarettes and stuff
We should just be barcoded at birth and everything stored on it, but it's not gonna happen for a long time, so let's just put up with whatever they decide until then, cos it's going to happen anyway.
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If everyone's dna was on records then they could clone us then kill off the real usses.
No id cards just give us all a free passport
No id cards just give us all a free passport
Like that'll happen. Human cloning could be some way off, baring in mind it can only be practiced illegally in most countries. You have to bare in mind that Dolly was a fluke, they had a one in several thousand chance of success and succeeded on the seventh attempt or something.
Cloning for medical purposes is very useful though. Cloning of organs would save loads of problems with finding donors, etc.
Cloning for medical purposes is very useful though. Cloning of organs would save loads of problems with finding donors, etc.
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Neofolis said:
thats only what they want you to belive, i hope they dont read my post an find out i am on to them *looks over shoulder (sp?)*
i might get disapeared like the other punto mod
if i suddeny start posting stuff that makes sence or is spelt right you will know its a clone an they have got me
You have no idea how far away from being able to clone humans they are. They have enough difficulty cloning a single cell. Even if money had been poured into for fifty years, it is unlikely that they would be anywhere near.
Most of the conspiracy theorists forget one thing when it comes to science. If there were all these underground labs funded by governments and industrialists, that were miles ahead in their chosen fields, whilst they might be top secret and not want anyone to know what they are doing, they would discover things on the way to their goal, which they would patent the technology on then release to the public and make more money to fund their work.
These things don't happen because these labs, are not that far ahead of any other labs. Most R&D labs in a certain field are in roughly the same position, but trying different methods to achieve the same goal, the one's that succeed, make money from that success and then everyone carries on with the next thing.
Most of the conspiracy theorists forget one thing when it comes to science. If there were all these underground labs funded by governments and industrialists, that were miles ahead in their chosen fields, whilst they might be top secret and not want anyone to know what they are doing, they would discover things on the way to their goal, which they would patent the technology on then release to the public and make more money to fund their work.
These things don't happen because these labs, are not that far ahead of any other labs. Most R&D labs in a certain field are in roughly the same position, but trying different methods to achieve the same goal, the one's that succeed, make money from that success and then everyone carries on with the next thing.
Taken from todays papers, people will be fined £2500 for refusing to have a card, failing to tell the government when you move house will cost you £1000. I rest my case...
Good WIll force people to keep up to date with it.
WIll force people to keep up to date with it.
