0 running problems, but regular changing of litter trays and scratched upholstery? Is this really a sensible mod?
You can't use it if you've got a 750 either. The hamster powering it, won't get on with the cat.....
Technical How to fit a 16v Fire engine in a Panda
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Technical How to fit a 16v Fire engine in a Panda
You can't use it if you've got a 750 either. The hamster powering it, won't get on with the cat.....
Daft mod really, everyone knows cars are faster if you remove the cat.
^^ i was waiting for that.
Sorry to keep you.
Thanks to panda-sport for the advice on downpipes -
The kink in the Brava/Bravo version clears the gear selector rods perfectly. But..
The triangular exit flange's top 'point' runs very close to the floor and the pipe diameter is going to make fitting the sump guard back on a challenge. We'll see, but I think the welder will need to come out.
The kink in the Brava/Bravo version clears the gear selector rods perfectly. But..
The triangular exit flange's top 'point' runs very close to the floor and the pipe diameter is going to make fitting the sump guard back on a challenge. We'll see, but I think the welder will need to come out.
hmm can you not use the standard 4x4 downpipe? or will it not fit the 16v manifold?
mind you i guess you would want a wider exhaust >_<
mind you i guess you would want a wider exhaust >_<
As you say John.
The Brava/o pipe measures a few mm wider internally than the Punto version and the same externally.. so cheap pattern parts (£26) have thinner walls I'm concluding.
But if the sump guard won't go underneath it, then downpipes and sumps may become service parts following a bit of enthusiastic rough roading.
Also need a lambda boss - which could be fitted to the 4x4 version of course, but..
Anyone got a 4x4 downpipe handy and can be bothered to measure the internal pipe diameter for comparison?
The Brava/o pipe measures a few mm wider internally than the Punto version and the same externally.. so cheap pattern parts (£26) have thinner walls I'm concluding.
But if the sump guard won't go underneath it, then downpipes and sumps may become service parts following a bit of enthusiastic rough roading.
Also need a lambda boss - which could be fitted to the 4x4 version of course, but..
Anyone got a 4x4 downpipe handy and can be bothered to measure the internal pipe diameter for comparison?
umm i can tell you that the 2 pipes coming down are a few mm smaller in diameter than the putnto 75 twin down pipe... if that helps..
also for the lambda you could drill a hole towards the back where the 2 pipes meet and mount it there.
to get the threaded hole that a lambda, you could get one from off a scrap exhaust. it is what i have done for both Talon and Fallout.
as far as downpipes fouling the sump guard goes, it does take a little bit of bending, but... Talon is using a downpipe designed to go on a engine with a taller block so it sits very low (as i am still using talons original engine). i can safely say that if the exhaust down pipe has to be made 2cm taller, it will not hit the sump guard.
as for measurements.. i should be able to get them to you by tomorrow evening. i need to do a little bit of modding to Fallouts downpipe as i welded it in the wrong place.
also for the lambda you could drill a hole towards the back where the 2 pipes meet and mount it there.
to get the threaded hole that a lambda, you could get one from off a scrap exhaust. it is what i have done for both Talon and Fallout.
as far as downpipes fouling the sump guard goes, it does take a little bit of bending, but... Talon is using a downpipe designed to go on a engine with a taller block so it sits very low (as i am still using talons original engine). i can safely say that if the exhaust down pipe has to be made 2cm taller, it will not hit the sump guard.
as for measurements.. i should be able to get them to you by tomorrow evening. i need to do a little bit of modding to Fallouts downpipe as i welded it in the wrong place.
Wiring question for the gurus please:
Permanent live is connected and switched live to the orange both check out as working, as is the earth connection, but.
When ignition is switched on I was expecting to get a couple of seconds live feed to the fuel pump and I get nothing. I do get power to the pump (brown and white) when I turn to the crank position.
I'm a bit stumped. Any thoughts?
Permanent live is connected and switched live to the orange both check out as working, as is the earth connection, but.
When ignition is switched on I was expecting to get a couple of seconds live feed to the fuel pump and I get nothing. I do get power to the pump (brown and white) when I turn to the crank position.
I'm a bit stumped. Any thoughts?
Mystery solved.
panda-sport has been an absolute gentleman and lived up to his guru status for me today. He also sends his best wishes to all.
The small black wire mentioned in the original post also needs earthing somewhere convenient. - I assumed that as it ran back into the engine loom it would earth to the engine somewhere down the back and then via the starter motor earth cable to the car. But no.
I ran a cable to one of the empty hedgehog spades and everything now works as it should.
panda-sport's experience suggests one in four of his conversions have this issue so if you're having an issue this could be the answer.
panda-sport has been an absolute gentleman and lived up to his guru status for me today. He also sends his best wishes to all.
The small black wire mentioned in the original post also needs earthing somewhere convenient. - I assumed that as it ran back into the engine loom it would earth to the engine somewhere down the back and then via the starter motor earth cable to the car. But no.
I ran a cable to one of the empty hedgehog spades and everything now works as it should.
panda-sport's experience suggests one in four of his conversions have this issue so if you're having an issue this could be the answer.
So (finally?) if your 16v engine starts, runs but doesn't stop again when you switch off the ignition, let me quote panda-sport:-
I think on some pandas the ignition switch earths the coil feed when the ignition is off to discharge the coil. This allows the ecu to stay on by leaking voltage down.
So the fix is to wire the switched feed (to the orange wires) from somewhere other than the coil feed, and the obvious alternative is the carb wire. - Worked for me, hope this helps you.
I think on some pandas the ignition switch earths the coil feed when the ignition is off to discharge the coil. This allows the ecu to stay on by leaking voltage down.
So the fix is to wire the switched feed (to the orange wires) from somewhere other than the coil feed, and the obvious alternative is the carb wire. - Worked for me, hope this helps you.
ahh that explains it. i am not sure now what Talon and Fallout use.. i just used an ignition live that has a female spade connector on it... :/
sadly i am not sure, my guess is that if you remove the old speed cable and nylon gear from the panda gearbox, the electric one from the 1.2 box would fit.. unless you are fitting the engine and gearbox? other than that i am not sure :/
brown and white is a "power" wire it drives the fuel pump and fuel injectors on my MPI p75 (the injectors i believe are earth switched). do you have the white relay that goes on the engine loom? as that is what gives the +12v power to the white and brown wires. the relay is switched directly from the ECU however i am not sure what colour wire switches it.
best thing to do is to get a picture of the place in the loom where things are missing and i will compare it with what i have.. try to get the wire colours in the picture
best thing to do is to get a picture of the place in the loom where things are missing and i will compare it with what i have.. try to get the wire colours in the picture
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I have done a similar engine swap on a Sisley 4x4, the result is fantastic but because it is the 4wd box I had to keep the original Panda box which is under geared.
Does anyone know whether it is feasible to rebuild the internals of a 6 speed box into the Panda box?
Does anyone know whether it is feasible to rebuild the internals of a 6 speed box into the Panda box?
the wires i have coming out of the 16v loom right by the starter and alternator wire 17 in all going to the relay box witch im missing!!! these are all the wires 4x brown/white 2x red 1x red/white 1x black/purple 1x gray/black 1x gray/green 1x pink/orange 1x purple 1x blue/black 1x yellow/gray 1x green/white 1x blue 1x gray/white
thanks
thanks
they sound like the main wires that go into the inside of the car. quite a lot of those wires are not needed.
refer to the first post on page one of this thread it should answer all if your questions.
refer to the first post on page one of this thread
it should answer all if your questions.
Have you tried it on 14inch wheels?
ps. Welcome on the forum, we all like to watch photos, got any of your Sisley 1242cc ?
Gear ratio modifications were covered on here few time already, not much to choose from if you're keen on keeping the 4x4.
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