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Very clever. Just the kind of responce one has come to expect from you.
Gateshead Council V Alex R
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Gateshead Council V Alex R
no offence custard but i think your being a bit harsh, a dog is like a baby, and is just curious. he probably managed to get out because he caught a cent of something, out of curiosity do u not like dogs, or alex-r?
His posts set out what he is accused of, they also admit that the allegation is true.
people seem to miss the point(regardless of who posts)
owner alllows their dog to roam the streets (how this occurs is irrelevant as the owner is responsible)
do is caught fowling the pavement
dog is returned to the owner
now if i was to post about the chav scum down the road who just lets his dog out on the street but the council dont do anything about it
what would people be saying?
responsibilities,actions and consequences
people moan of a nanny state yet seem to not want to answer for the consequences of their actions
but im willing to bet, that chav scum have/do let their dogs free and dont get caught. and i bet chavs dont clean up their dog foul.
the owner is responsible to a certain point i believe. if the garden was genuinely secured off, and the dog had to dig/get out in a way that hadnt been done before then the owner needs to make the garden more secure for the future, but as long as damage hadnt been done to a property or person then i cant really see a problem.
we do live in a nanny state, and a state in which the honest english person lives an honest life, and is the one punished for the wrongdoings, whereas certain other groups of people literally take the pi** out the system and work it, and gets away with it.
I think, despite Alex's description of events, that johnw has pretty much summed up the situation.
However, I think there are other issues that come to light here. Namely that the authorities are doing their job; but also who they prosecute and why. I would say that if a dog warden sees a large chav allowing his pet to foul the pavement he/she is likely to ignore it. However, a little old lady who may be unable to bend down properly to pick the mess up will probably get done.
In Manchester there are often reports of how the Town Wardens have done people for dropping a fag end on the ground. One victim was (I think) the broadcaster Terry Christian (apologies if I've got him mixed up with someone else) who is hardly likely to punch the Warden.
There was a report recently that the 80% of tickets issued by Tameside Patrollers, to the east of Manchester, have been to people who've dropped cigarettes. Personally, I'd like more people done for dropping the remains of their takeaways or smashing beer bottles as I think that kind of behaviour has a greater impact on the rest of us.
I also can't help thinking that local authorities will almost always take the line of least resistance and dealing with anyone who might cry racism, victimisation, or blob someone on the nose.
But then maybe I've become more cynical than I thought.
However, I think there are other issues that come to light here. Namely that the authorities are doing their job; but also who they prosecute and why. I would say that if a dog warden sees a large chav allowing his pet to foul the pavement he/she is likely to ignore it. However, a little old lady who may be unable to bend down properly to pick the mess up will probably get done.
In Manchester there are often reports of how the Town Wardens have done people for dropping a fag end on the ground. One victim was (I think) the broadcaster Terry Christian (apologies if I've got him mixed up with someone else) who is hardly likely to punch the Warden.
There was a report recently that the 80% of tickets issued by Tameside Patrollers, to the east of Manchester, have been to people who've dropped cigarettes. Personally, I'd like more people done for dropping the remains of their takeaways or smashing beer bottles as I think that kind of behaviour has a greater impact on the rest of us.
I also can't help thinking that local authorities will almost always take the line of least resistance and dealing with anyone who might cry racism, victimisation, or blob someone on the nose.
But then maybe I've become more cynical than I thought.
well im not English so i guess i'm taking this **** :chin:
it doesnt matter how the dog got out,thats up to the owner
to take another slant
if a dog got out of a garden and mauled a kid
would the owner be okay as long as they had secured the garden?
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You're making up hypothetical situations now purely to continue an argument.
He got caught, simple as. If it had happened an hour earlier or an hour later he might have got away with it. Its nothing to do with injustice, he was unlucky. Now he needs to be a man about it, admit to his shortfalls, pay up, take it on the chin and move on.
This is why i love the fact my dog will only poo
in one corner of the garden:slayer: can walk him
for hours and he will not go to he gets in
in one corner of the garden:slayer: can walk him
for hours and he will not go to he gets in
to show a simple situation
its the exact same,the dog owner is responsible for their dog
at the end of the day the warden could have showed a little bit of discretion, alex offered to pick the poop up, the fact that he offered to pick it up should have showed a certain level of responsibility.
as for dogs getting out i used to have 6ft fence panels in my back garden, local planning regulations limit the height to 6ft6, my dog jumped these twice in as many days (he was after the neighbours cat ), as a owner what are you then meant to do? by not letting the dog out it could be argued that he is being treated cruelty?
what ever you decide to do, good luck
as for dogs getting out i used to have 6ft fence panels in my back garden, local planning regulations limit the height to 6ft6, my dog jumped these twice in as many days (he was after the neighbours cat ), as a owner what are you then meant to do? by not letting the dog out it could be argued that he is being treated cruelty?
what ever you decide to do, good luck
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at the end of the day the warden could have showed a little bit of discretion, alex offered to pick the poop up, the fact that he offered to pick it up should have showed a certain level of responsibility.
as for dogs getting out i used to have 6ft fence panels in my back garden, local planning regulations limit the height to 6ft6, my dog jumped these twice in as many days (he was after the neighbours cat ), as a owner what are you then meant to do? by not letting the dog out it could be argued that he is being treated cruelty?
what ever you decide to do, good luck
Could is the key word here, maybe Alex failed the attitude test?
maybe, however we will never know.
The warden did use his discretion, in favour of a ticket and not a warning. The offer to pick up the mess was probably too late, wardens normally do that when there is no owner around.
Just as a side note fellas, I was 'looking after' my sisters dog once, and left it in the back garden for the afternoon to entertain itself, it escaped, I had a quick look up the street and thought it'd probably come back when it gets bored and left it to it. Later that afternoon I get a phone call off my sister asking why the dog warden has her dog. She drives 20 miles to the pound, pays the £30 release fee and gets the mainge back.
Moral of the story, I don't have to worry about looking after old Bennie boy again.
Moral of the story, I don't have to worry about looking after old Bennie boy again.
when you get to court, or u pay the fine, or whatever ;let us know lol
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The only allegation I can see here is the issue of the dog pooping. Nothing is said about the dog escaping.
Until there is evidence of this, shouldn't he be innocent?
H
While I do feel a degree of sympathy towards Alex, we've had 4 dogs over a 22 year period (3 at once for 17 years) and none of them ever got out. Having said that, at least the fact the Warden found his address should indicate a degree of responsibility as the dog must have had a tag or chip. Many people who habitually allow their dogs to wander don't have either.
As far as I can tell the only charge he faces is the dog fouling one. Which he accepts is true.
