Free Bronson.

[Kier]

The naughty step doesn't work, nothing wrong with a good clip around the ear if they miss behave.

And Charlie's not scum!

Somehow I dont think a clip around the ear will work for Charlie...maybe for a little kid shoplifting...

 

[Shadeyman]

Somehow I dont think a clip around the ear will work for Charlie...maybe for a little kid shoplifting...

I'm sure the screws were horrified when Charlie got up and walked away from the "naughty step" ....

 

[Stu DemonD]

And Charlie's not scum!

So how would you describe him then?

Wasn't he released twice - yet he didn't like the taste of freedom and kept re-offending? - and yet you want him to be released again because the guy is a saint - third time lucky and all that crap

As far as I am concerned, he can stay behind bars for good - and I wouldn't exactly want him ("scum") as my neighbour

AND NO, not a single thing you will say or show me will make me change my mind - sorted

 

[Shadeyman]

So how would you describe him then?

Wasn't he released twice - yet he didn't like the taste of freedom and kept re-offending? - and yet you want him to be released again because the guy is a saint - third time lucky and all that crap

As far as I am concerned, he can stay behind bars for good - and I wouldn't exactly want him ("scum") as my neighbour

AND NO, not a single thing you will say or show me will make me change my mind - sorted

Fortunately no one really cares what you say, think or do!

 

[custard]

Fortunately no one really cares what you say, think or do!

so the people who live in the society, you want to introduce your buddy to dont matter?
you are desperate to defend an armed robber,kidnapper etc but not the rights of someone who is a law abiding citizen?

 

[Kier]

Fortunately no one really cares what you say, think or do!

I do...

 

[ben]

Thread cleaned - play nice people.

 

[Shadeyman]

Thread cleaned - play nice people.

Thanks Ben.

 

[Venters]

Just read up on what happened when his last bid to be released failed.

Stripped naked, covered himself in butter and assaulted 12 guards. 4 of who were injured.

I take it back, he is not just scum, he is a loon too.
Less than a year ago this happened too.

 

[RuSZ]

Stripped naked, covered himself in butter and assaulted 12 guards

So its not just the showers any more...

 

[ChrisUK]

Just read up on what happened when his last bid to be released failed.

Stripped naked, covered himself in butter and assaulted 12 guards. 4 of who were injured.

I take it back, he is not just scum, he is a loon too.
Less than a year ago this happened too.

Gullable people see that video and believe it. Everyone else see it as a ploy to try and get released

 

[wilko92]

cmon people if he got released and got into a fight hed end up getting stabbed no such thing as a fist fight nowadays times have changed and he aint really dont think he would last out side now i like his film and that but not really got too involed with knowing about him etc. besides does he even want to be released?

 

[306maxi]

Just read up on what happened when his last bid to be released failed.

Stripped naked, covered himself in butter and assaulted 12 guards. 4 of who were injured.

I take it back, he is not just scum, he is a loon too.
Less than a year ago this happened too.

Sounds a little like Seinfeld

 

[johnw]

It just goes to prove how little the general public actually know about his situation.

Fortunately the prison authorities, the parole board and the judges involved have ALL the details and are appropriately trained in making decisions of this kind.

 

[pooroldcodger]

Fortunately the prison authorities, the parole board and the judges involved have ALL the details and are appropriately trained in making decisions of this kind.

As always John I respect your technical knowledge and your commitment to your role in the legal system. I wish I shared your confidence in the parole boards and some of the judges. Yes, judges don't make the law, but they do interpret it .

 

[johnw]

The problem is that people on the outside never get to see all the evidence unless they actually go to court and watch the case. We all - me included for cases i didn't deal with personally - have to rely on media reports. The purpose of a newspaper is to make a profit, headlines that say "the court got it right" will not sell many papers.

judges and magistrates have guidelines to follow but can deviate from them in exceptional circumstances. All sentencers must give the reasons why they imposed a particular sentence and, in the case of something outside the guidelines spell out why it was outside the guideance and justify the sentence.

All decisions of a court can be challenged to a higher court. The defence and prosecution can challenge the verdict or the sentence. When the people most involved with a case don't challenge a decision thats a pretty good sign that it was correct. Correct decisions may not be popular, but it is open to those who are unhappy to complain to their MP to get the law changed. Or to check the sentencing guidelines council website where they publish consultations for the public to comment. There are no consultations active at the moment but they recently finished one on burglary. As a result of public input to the consultation the sentences are going to be increased.

http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov.uk/index.htm

 

[RuSZ]

We all - me included for cases i didn't deal with personally - have to rely on media reports.

Ahh the joys of personally knowing the Prision Gaurds at HMP Wakefield that are Charlies personal guards

Not that they can tell me anything at all, i just know they look after him and say he's genuinely nice compared to everyone else in HMP Wakefield..

 

[johnw]

Ahh the joys of personally knowing the Prision Gaurds at HMP Wakefield that are Charlies personal guards

The term prison guard went out of use decades ago. Working on the wings in direct daily contact with prisoners there are Prison Officers and Operational Support Grades.

No prisoner has personal guards. There is too much chance of them getting overly friendly and relaxing the rules. Or of disclosing small pieces of personal information which, over a period of time with the same prisoner, would enable the prisoner to gain enough information to be able to ID the officers family and home address.