Technical Fiat 500 rear drums

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Fishtank4

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Has anyone else had this issue on a 2010 fiat 500, I changed the rear brake shoes today as old wines worn out, easy to remove, clean and replace, obviously I slackened the adjuster back as far as possible, but when I refitted the drums they wen on ok and turned freely but as soon as I put the location pins in or a wheel nut and tighten up they go solid and won’t turn unless I give myself a hernia and only then it turns slightly???
Please help 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
 
Has anyone else had this issue on a 2010 fiat 500, I changed the rear brake shoes today as old wines worn out, easy to remove, clean and replace, obviously I slackened the adjuster back as far as possible, but when I refitted the drums they wen on ok and turned freely but as soon as I put the location pins in or a wheel nut and tighten up they go solid and won’t turn unless I give myself a hernia and only then it turns slightly???
Please help 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Have you wound back the self adjusters?
You have to be careful doing this not to damage them.:)
Other than that take a photo with the drum off and I am sure someone here will be able to advise.
 
Hi thanks for your reply’s
Yes have wound back the adjusters fully , before I put drums on I checked the hub it turns very freely, when I put the drums on by hand , very easy to put on over brake shoes and they turn freely but when you put the locator pins in and tighten it won’t move soon as I slacken off the pins it moves again so as suggested I’ll check the thickness of the shoes tomorrow with the old ones to see if GSF have given me the wrong ones
Cheers
Phil
 
Hi thanks for your reply’s
Yes have wound back the adjusters fully , before I put drums on I checked the hub it turns very freely, when I put the drums on by hand , very easy to put on over brake shoes and they turn freely but when you put the locator pins in and tighten it won’t move soon as I slacken off the pins it moves again so as suggested I’ll check the thickness of the shoes tomorrow with the old ones to see if GSF have given me the wrong ones
Cheers
Phil
Sometimes it is a simple as putting the shoes on upside down or the handbrake lever not quite locating in the shoe, or a brake cylinder piston twisted out of line.
Very rarely I have had a cheap set of shoes supplied that are badly made.
Best is to compare 100% against the original set and only change one side at a time so you can compare the original fitting.
 
Be very careful, when manhandling the shoes and auto adjuster, the ABS ring is right underneath ( about 4mm ) the auto adjuster and is very easy to damage as its a soft magnetic ring ours has a chunk out but still works?
Check the free play on the hand brake, not too tight?
 
Hi thanks for your reply’s
Yes have wound back the adjusters fully , before I put drums on I checked the hub it turns very freely, when I put the drums on by hand , very easy to put on over brake shoes and they turn freely but when you put the locator pins in and tighten it won’t move soon as I slacken off the pins it moves again so as suggested I’ll check the thickness of the shoes tomorrow with the old ones to see if GSF have given me the wrong ones
Cheers
Phil
There are several SHOE Widths available according to factors.. I Seem to recall

If you can slip the drum over by hand the diameters sound ok

IF you have over width shoes they will jam between drum body and backplate.. As you squeeze with the retaining bolts

Just a thought..
 
There are several SHOE Widths available according to factors.. I Seem to recall

If you can slip the drum over by hand the diameters sound ok

IF you have over width shoes they will jam between drum body and backplate.. As you squeeze with the retaining bolts

Just a thought..
That was my thought
It sounds like they are too wide or sitting pround of the surface hence why it jams whens it's done up tight with the bolts
 
Hi guys , update but still at a loss , the shoes that came off were Bosch. The new ones are Delphi both 32mm wide , it’s the existing drums going back on as there’s nowt wrong with them I’ve had all shoes off again, I really can’t see the issue as they’ve gone back on exactly as the old ones came off
 
Hi guys , update but still at a loss , the shoes that came off were Bosch. The new ones are Delphi both 32mm wide , it’s the existing drums going back on as there’s nowt wrong with them I’ve had all shoes off again, I really can’t see the issue as they’ve gone back on exactly as the old ones came off
As I suggested earlier a clear photo with drum off may help advice.:)
 
As you can see everything seen ok
Adjuster has been wound back fully and the shoes are the same width at 32mm
 

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As you can see everything seen ok
Adjuster has been wound back fully and the shoes are the same width at 32mm
Nothing obvious springs to mind, I see the leading edge of shoe has different amount of lining , but that should not be an issue.
I can't quite see in the photos, but I assume the handbrake lever is engaged as far into the groove in the shoe as original and that the adjuster will wind in no more.
Re the handbrake lever where it connects to the handbrake cable, is it as far back away from the hub as it will go , I know the cable has been backed off, but sometimes the way they sit stops it going back the last bit. Sometimes you can look from below the hub looking upwards to see if it is right back in fully off position.
I suspect you have checked all these things anyway:)
Another thing as a last resort is to compare old and new shoes side by side on a flat surface to see if slightly prouder than original, as I have seen some that the part that engages with the brake piston is a few mm longer due to poor quality control in production. If everything else is correct and no better shoes available it may be necessary to file that area down to match the original. Not ideal I agree, but can work if desperate.
On a different note the cylinder does look a little damp? Whenever working on brakes I always flip the dust cover back to check for any early signs of brake cylinder leakage.
Also I put to levers in place and rock the shoes side to side to ensure one piston isn't seized, but I am sure you will have already noticed if that was the case.
Another thing that can happen is if the retaining springs are in the wrong position, but generally that makes a noise rather than stopping rotation of the drum.
 
Cheers matey I’m going to go and remove completely again and start again just in case I’ve missed owt but yes I noticed cylinder a bit damp so I’ve got another one to go on but thanks for all your help I’ll keep you posted
 
@Fishtank4

Are Both sides giving the same issue? 🤔

In your position.. I would finger tighten the drum mounts so I can "just" rotate the drum by hand,

Do several turn.. Or to and fro sessions with the drum

Look carefully to see evidence of abrasion 😉

I still think you are pinching the sides of the shoe to drum 🤔
 
It is essential to wind the auto adjusters out until the shoes are very near the drum when fitting the drum. If not the auto adjusters may not work at all or be damaged .
 
Plus the hand brake cable adjuster should be wound off till the stop on the shoe lever is touching the shoe- only then will the self adjusters work properly
 
It is essential to wind the auto adjusters out until the shoes are very near the drum when fitting the drum. If not the auto adjusters may not work at all or be damaged .
I agree , although what I tend to do is back right off to assemble brakes and make sure drum goes on easily then I manually adjust the brakes until I get as good a pedal without binding as possible, which I then check both by working foot and handbrakes and finally a good road test to confirm.
That way I could happily return vehicle to my satisfied customers.
 
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