Fiat 500 beats a porsche! No Really!!

[Nuova500]

A friend has a 1965 Austin Westminster, fitted with a smallblock chevvy engine, a few years back a 911 went to overtake us. The Austin left it for dead! A 911 is a souped up beetle not a supercar!

1987 126 FSM, 12" minilight style wheels, clear rear lights, smoked indicators.

 

[The Negotiator]

haha, now i definately don't agree with that. THe 911 is considered a legend, ask any of your favourite car commentators and they will give it that!

A souped up beetle, well I never!

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[Bushboy]

well u can have ur 911 and ill have my Delorean heh... 1.8L of.. well... aparantly... no power atall. but ide get the engine changed for something huge and powerful

Delorean beats the 911 on style anyway

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[ts86net]

Paul, the G40 in question (with all its mods) pisses over pretty much everything on the road. You would be damn well surprised.

Just watch Santa Pod this year...

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[The Negotiator]

PIty Delorean failed really, would be alright if it had the quantum time continium thingy magig from the old back to the future.

ts86net, as you know, "santa pod" and 1/4 of a miles means nothing; there's no fun in it and a fast 1/4 of a mile car doesn't mean a good car. A G40 will go some way but as I said, it is an old polo (G50 in a golf right?) and has useless brakes, bad handling and useless suspension. It's like saying the 126 in the movie clip is a good car, sure it is great at doing the 1/4 of a mile but what else can it do? (I have every right to remove that if i see it winning the next Rally champ lol). The top speed of it is 122 with a fairly ok 0-60, it's pretty fast having a close ratio gearbox (hence low top speed). What's the best you can get out of a car like that without an engine transplant; not a lot and you can't change the engine for much better because the G40 engine is pretty good.

Back to the Deloean, trouble is, it lacks style because 90% of people don't have a clue about what it is and can you imagine all the things that go wrong on it? The Delorean is a sad story really.

Paul

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[Bushboy]

theres a club that deals with all the probs u might have with it in the uk ... DOCUK (delorean owners club)... they basicly are delorean and still deal in new parts and so on (they are still readily avaliable in america as there are far more around (infact 95% of all deloreans are in america)

i know they failed and its a shame but its the bet goddam car ever

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[Nuova500]

Theres only one word you need to know re the DeLorean... Reanault! Nuff said? My MOT station I use repairs one regular, awful car at least a 911 is reliable even if it has no style Ferrari 308 is a nice affordable...ish supercar. Rather have my Fiats though!

1987 126 FSM, 12" minilight style wheels, clear rear lights, smoked indicators.

 

[Bushboy]

renault? why? DMC was an american company and all the cars were manufactured in ireland... maybe im missing a link tho... was the engine Renault or something (seems to ring a bell)

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[arseofbox]

Ive just seen that vid...I want one.

I think the term supercar is used too much, a super car must be most of the following:

Fast
Good Handling
Gorgeous to look at
Fairly Rare

That is why TVR's are supercars, but something like Porche 911\ Carrera's arent. Admittedly they are fast, and good to handle and look at, but most flaming accountants worth their salt have got at least one!

Theyre far too common..I mean look at TVR, how many of their cars do yu see on the roads? one every few weeks if yure lucky...

Tom (AofB)

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[Steven]

DeLoreans are big piles of poo. They lack style, power or anything that might make them remotely attractive. John DeLorean was a crook as well.

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[ts86net]

The top speed of it is 122 with a fairly ok 0-60, it's pretty fast having a close ratio gearbox (hence low top speed). What's the best you can get out of a car like that without an engine transplant; not a lot and you can't change the engine for much better because the G40 engine is pretty good.

It's an old Polo yes, but then the one in question is modifed. So suspension and other handling bits is much improved. There is loads you can do to that engine (like pretty much all engines) and being forced induction the gains tend to be greater. A straight line sprint does say a lot about a car (acceleration) especially when it's equal (if not better) than a Porsche (which from your posts apparently should be bloody great or something?). Anyways, check this out... It is from the Guiness World Car Records 1992, a little while after the G40 was released.

Time to 1 kilometre - fastest.
Limit set as 28.0 seconds.

Pos Secs Car

1 23.3 Lamborghini Countach
2 23.6 BMW M635 CSi
3 23.8 Ferrari Testa Rossa
4 23.9 Audi Quattro Sport
5 24.0 Porsche 911 Turbo (1991)
6 24.1 Porsche 911 3.3 Turbo
7 24.3 Ferrari Daytona
Porsche 911 Carrera RS
8 24.5 Porsche 911 Turbo (1983)
9 24.6 Porsche 911 Carrera 2
10 24.9 Alfa Romeo Alfa 75 V6 3.0
Lamborghini Countach LP
11 25.0 Ferrari 512 BB
Lotus Esprit Turbo (1988)
12 25.1 Porsche 928 S4 SE
13 25.2 Aston Martin V8 Vantage
De Tomaso Pantera GT5-S
14 25.3 Ferrari 348tb
Lotus Esprit Turbo SE
Mercedes-Benz 500SL
Porsche 911 Carrera Club Sport
TVR V8 S
15 25.4 Aston Martin DB6
Porsche Carrera RS Touring
16 25.5 Honda NSX
17 25.6 Aston Martin DBS V8
Nissan 300ZX
TVR 390 SE
18 25.7 Caterham 7 HPC
19 25.8 Porsche 944 Turbo
20 26.0 De Tomaso Pantera
Ferrari 365 GTC
Porsche Turbo 3.0
21 26.1 Lamborghini Miura P400S
Porsche 944 S2
Porsche Carrera 2 Cabriolet Tiptronic
22 26.2 AC 428 Fastback
Lotus Esprit Turbo HC
Porsche 911 SC
Porsche 928 S4 Automatic
Volkswagen Polo G40
23 26.3 Mercedes-Benz 500E
Monteverdi 375L
TVR Convertible Turbo
24 26.4 Maserati Bora
Porsche 911 Carrera SE
25 26.5 BMW M635 CSi
26 26.6 Jaguar E Type V12
Maserati Khamsin
27 26.7 Aston Martin V8 Automatic
Aston Martin Virage
Audi Coupe S2
Jensen SP
Lotus Esprit Turbo (1981)
Morgan Plus 8
28 26.8 Ford Sierra RS Cosworth
Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 4x4
Lamborghini Jalpa
Lotus Plus 2S
29 26.9 Aston Martin V8 (1982)
Audi Quattro 20v
Chevrolet Corvette
Ferrari 308 GTB
Jaguar XJS HE
Porsche 911 E 2.4
30 27.0 Aston Martin V8 (1978)
Mazda RX-7 Turbo II
Porsche 944 Turbo
31 27.1 Iso Grifo GL 365
Jaguar XJS Automatic
32 27.2 BMW 850i
Porsche 928 S Series II
TVR 350i Series II
33 27.3 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo
Jaguar XJS
34 27.4 Ferrari Mondial 3.2QV
Ford RS200
Lotus Elan SE
Panther Solo
Porsche 911S 2.7
Renault GTA V6 Turbo
35 27.5 Audi Quattro
BMW 850i Manual
Ferrari 365 GT4 2+2
Porsche 911 SC
Porsche 924 Turbo
Toyota MR2 GT
36 27.6 BMW M3 Evolution
Ferrari Dino 308 GT4 2+2
37 27.7 Audi Quattro
BMW 750i
Caterham 1700 Super Sprint
Chevrolet Corvette
Datsun 240Z
Jensen Interceptor
Lancia Thema 2.0ie 16v SE Turbo
Pontiac GTO
Saab 9000 2.3 Turbo TCS
38 27.8 Bentley Mulsanne Turbo
Jaguar XJS Automatic
Morgan Plus 8 (1991)
Nissan 200ZX
Porsche 944S
39 27.9 Aston Martin V8 (1975)
Lancia Delta HF Integrale
Maserati Khamsin Automatic
Morgan Plus 8 (1968)
40 28.0 Nissan 200SX
Toyota Supra 3.0i Turbo

The G40 is in position 22nd. Just look at all the cars it "beats". Some of those Porsche's mentioned are around it. Do remember this is for a STANDARD G40. With all the mods my mate has done, it's even quicker (mods: twin induction, charger bits, head work, camshaft, ECU, exhaust, etc. etc.)

Guiness World Car Records 1992

Page 749, 4887 Volkswagen

Polo G40
1991 Germany
120mph 193.1kmh
0-50mph 80.5kmh: 5.1 secs
0-60mph 96.5kmh: 8.4 secs
0-1/4mile: 16.5 secs
0-1km: 26.2 secs
113.0bhp 84.3kW 114.6PS @ 6000rpm
110.7lb/ft 150.0Nm @3600rpm
136.0bhp/ton 133.7bhp/tonne
88.8bhp/L 66.2kW/L 90.1PS/L
47.2ft/sec 14.4m/sec
21.7mph34.9kmh/1000rpm
30.1mpg 25.1mpgUS 9.4L/100km
Petrol 4-stroke piston
1272cc 78.0cu in supercharged
In-line 4 fuel injection
Compression ratio 8.0:1
Bore: 75.0mm 2.9in
Stroke: 72.0mm 2.8in
Valve type/No: Overhead 8
Transmission: Manual
No. of forward speeds: 5
Wheels driven: Front
Springs F/R: Coil/Coil
Brake System: PA
Brakes F/R: Disc/Drum
Steering: Rack & pinion
Wheelbase: 233.5cm 91.9in
Track F: 130.6cm 51.4in
Track R: 133.2cm 52.4in
Length: 376.5cm 148.2in
Width: 157.0cm 61.8in
Height: 132.5cm 52.2in
Ground clearance: 10.4cm 4.1in
Kerb weight: 845.0kg 1861.2lb
Fuel: 42.0L 9.2gal 11.1galUS

Yes, it's a 1.3 and weighs under a ton. Anyways, from all this... yes, it doesn't mean it's a "good car" (that's all about opinion), but it can sure make things look very silly.

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[ts86net]

Oh, and, a Porsche isn't all that

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[arseofbox]

All what?

I personally think the G40 is very kewl. The standard Polo GT is fast enough, I was in one on saturday (one of three pople in the car) and it easily wheelspun in first into second and then into third...its got an amazing amount of torque for a 1.3 to do that.

Oh, it had been raining a few hrs before, but still, my mum's 16v 1400 Clio cant replicate that with two people in it![}]

Tom (AofB)

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[The Negotiator]

Take a look at our friend's 126:

http://www.ukstreetracers.com/CarBossTaz.htm

Might help explain its speed!

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[Nuova500]

Now that is mad! A chevy lump... he must be mental as thats what my friends Austin has and that is terrifying to say the least, but in a 126!

1987 126 FSM, 12" minilight style wheels, clear rear lights, smoked indicators.

 

[James M]

Gotta say I love the 911, always have, always will, don't care how fast it is, whether its the pure lines of an early 60's example, an overly bodykitted mid eighties Carrera, or a not so pure water cooled 996, they're all lovely

My choice would be a Carrera 4s, not the quickest, granted, but much cleaner lines than a bodykitted turbo or GT, and with 4wheel drive a bit more of a drivers car than the standard carrera.

Don't get me wrong, I love Ferrari's and Lambo's, but they're sunny afternoon cars, the essence of a 911 is it can be used day in, day out.

And as for them being supercars... I have to be honest and say only the turbo or GT3 really qualify

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[The Negotiator]

James can join my club (2 members now) of liking such a perfect car then.

I still think they are all supercars though

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[Steven]

Perfect car? It has never been perfect. It is regarded as a poor handling car as it's dangerous in the wet!

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[The Negotiator]

But having such a design is all part of its "perfectness" just like you may thing a Fiat is perfect! It doesn't mean it is literally perfect as perfect is a matter of opinion not fact.

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[Steven]

I take your point, but disagree strongly.

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