I don't know why they bothered with Stig. They should have called Maxi in.
Technical Euro6 1.2 Throttle Response, Hill Start Issues & Watchdog report
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I don't know why they bothered with Stig. They should have called Maxi in.
Yes it is just your opinion.
And Yes you are wrong it doesn't affect every euro6. Unless you've driven every last one? Umm that'll be a no then, you haven't driven mine.
I don't need to rev it to 3k. I think he's explained a couple of times that he didn't either.
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That's interesting. Is your car definitely a Euro6? Did you buy it new or second hand?
My 500S, 12 days old, 1,200 miles. Just spent 2 days driving through central Glasgow in this. Not my idea of fun but the car drove great.
Wife. Lounge 12 days old. 200 miles.
Neither of them act as you claim they should.
I think what's needed is a bit more open-mindedness and a desire to find the truth rather than trying to prove a hypothesis regardless of facts.
I'd love to see the results of 306maxi driving a members 'proven' sluggish 500. It would certainly prove the driving style hypothesis one way or another. Palma500s maybe you could offer yours?
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Just noticed that Palma500s is not in the UK so another donor would be required.
I'd love to see the results of 306maxi driving a members 'proven' sluggish 500. It would certainly prove the driving style hypothesis one way or another. Palma500s maybe you could offer yours?
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Just noticed that Palma500s is not in the UK so another donor would be required.
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Not really needed tbh. The numbers of complainants are high enough and someone who is obviously a skilled driver couldn't get it off the line.that there is an issue is not up for debate anymore and I really don't think it's something people should or can drive around, this is not having to give a car 500rpm more or something, this is unacceptable.
You seem to be purposely trying to provoke reaction from where I'm sitting. Maxi has gone out of his way to test drive a car which is likely to have a EU6 engine. Yeah we don't know for sure, but there's a lot we don't know for sure at present, no thanks to Fiat.
Given that of all the people with effected cars, no one seems to want to do anything other than there for their own benefit, the least people can do for those that go out of their way for no personal gain (in this instance, Maxi) is to take evidence on board. We get that you don't agree with what Maxi has shown, but we don't know that you're correct or that Maxi is correct, so just leave it at that yeah? It's turning what should be an informative thread into a charade.
It does appear that the ones being delivered now seem to be better (a few have reported no problem with theirs delivered in the last couple of weeks) so maybe there is some mileage to the dodgy batch of parts theory.
Cheers. Nowt personal at all. I just think there's so little we know for sure at this stage that we should try to keep an open mind.
I'm personally half way between your opinion and that of Maxi. My view (I'm sure like others) has changed as this thread has gone on. I think within a certain production time it could've been that all 1.2s were affected. However, the 'some are, some aren't affected' scenario we're seeing now could be because those actually being built now are ok but some coming through have an older build date and are therefore displaying the problems.
For what reason God knows - If Fiat's comments are to be believed they seem to think there shouldn't be issue with any of the revised 1.2s, so I can't see how they can have rectified a problem they never thought existed. I guess a faulty batch of parts is feasible. However it seems something is going on - I just can't see how anyone could drive a car like those featured on Watchdog or discussed on here, and not notice something amiss. There must be some cars that are ok and some that aren't.
Maybe it’s build tolerances?
I tried to reject a Vauxhall lease car (which made it tricky as it wasn’t actually my car) many years ago. I finally got a Vauxhall factory technician to visit myself and the dealership. He agreed it was an absolute pig to drive and admitted that they knew about drivability issues. He put it down to mine being worse than most people were experiencing to build tolerances. End result I had to keep it but I absolutely hated the pile of junk.
Anyway as I’ve said earlier, although I’m defending mine the throttle response is not quite “right”. The band width between nothing and revving too high is too small.
Hill starts and driving in traffic no problem though. Stop start driving you can just leave it trickle along with zero throttle, the anti stall allows starting from standstill (on the flat) with zero throttle. I can join roundabouts in second as long as I’m doing say more than 5 or 6mph. Having said that the gearbox is so sweat it’s dead easy to drop it in to 1st.
I’m very picky about cars and any issues they may have.
I can categorically state this is a non issue for me and I’m really enjoying the car. In fact Glasgow to Shropshire last night in atrocious conditions non stop 4.5hrs and I beat the satnav by 18minutes
I tried to reject a Vauxhall lease car (which made it tricky as it wasn’t actually my car) many years ago. I finally got a Vauxhall factory technician to visit myself and the dealership. He agreed it was an absolute pig to drive and admitted that they knew about drivability issues. He put it down to mine being worse than most people were experiencing to build tolerances. End result I had to keep it but I absolutely hated the pile of junk.
Anyway as I’ve said earlier, although I’m defending mine the throttle response is not quite “right”. The band width between nothing and revving too high is too small.
Hill starts and driving in traffic no problem though. Stop start driving you can just leave it trickle along with zero throttle, the anti stall allows starting from standstill (on the flat) with zero throttle. I can join roundabouts in second as long as I’m doing say more than 5 or 6mph. Having said that the gearbox is so sweat it’s dead easy to drop it in to 1st.
I’m very picky about cars and any issues they may have.
I can categorically state this is a non issue for me and I’m really enjoying the car. In fact Glasgow to Shropshire last night in atrocious conditions non stop 4.5hrs and I beat the satnav by 18minutes
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David Bliss
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Once more it seems that Fiat owners are not pulling together to solve this issue. Maxi’s test just proves the car has brake horsepower, the engine produces this in the higher rev band. In real life you need torque in the lower range, after all this is a passenger, everyday car, not a race car. There is no need to test a car on hills it can be done by putting it on a rolling road, as I did with mine, giving figures to base conclusions on. Other people could have done this, it is a level playing field. The variation between cars would have shown up in a reasonable sized sample, it does involve some cost but not excessively so. I did enquire about the possibility of getting a full readout on engine management (clutch recognition, throttle response etc) but this would been too expensive for me on top of what a car that is now sitting unused in my garage has cost us.
Why has it taken seven months for me to get this far? Within the first few days of owning the car I have been posting about the problems it has and others have constantly tried to shoot me down in flames. Fiat have still not acknowledged that the Panda has this problem as well as the 500. How long before we get justice?
Why has it taken seven months for me to get this far? Within the first few days of owning the car I have been posting about the problems it has and others have constantly tried to shoot me down in flames. Fiat have still not acknowledged that the Panda has this problem as well as the 500. How long before we get justice?
ahmett
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you own a fiat, no justice for you = )
Re: Fiat 500 on Watchdog again tonight.
My interest in this subject is purely ..... interest, as I don't own a 1.2 petrol.
TBH, a car with such low power would be of little use round here so I never considered buying one, and instead went for the spirited TA 85bhp version.
However, this doesn't mean I have no sympathy for folks plagued by the problem of the 1.2, it's that I can't see why some of you don't get together one weekend to compare cars.
Not everyone lives remote from each other, and a weekend away somewhere mutually convenient could be a social event and you may learn something as well. It only needs a couple of cars on each side of the fence - two with problems, and two without problems. More would be better of course.
If you could get together, we could conclude something positive, rather than just swapping anecdotes on here.
Good luck,
Mick
My interest in this subject is purely ..... interest, as I don't own a 1.2 petrol.
TBH, a car with such low power would be of little use round here so I never considered buying one, and instead went for the spirited TA 85bhp version.
However, this doesn't mean I have no sympathy for folks plagued by the problem of the 1.2, it's that I can't see why some of you don't get together one weekend to compare cars.
Not everyone lives remote from each other, and a weekend away somewhere mutually convenient could be a social event and you may learn something as well. It only needs a couple of cars on each side of the fence - two with problems, and two without problems. More would be better of course.
If you could get together, we could conclude something positive, rather than just swapping anecdotes on here.
Good luck,
Mick
How is 2500 rpm high revs? The car had absolutely no problems pulling away from junctions at just above idle.
I give up, I absolutely give up.....
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There appears to be a lot of bitterness throughout this thread from some owners of these faulty cars. Understandable up to a point but it appears they would prefer to wallow in the fact they have a problem car. It makes for tedious reading.
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What wee need is to get a good look at David's car, This sounds to be the worse one on the forum by a long way and probably close to the one shown on watchdog.
We need a meeting point that most of us can get too relatively easily by motorway and have a hour or two just discussing the problem.
Somewhere around the Reading area would work.
What wee need is to get a good look at David's car, This sounds to be the worse one on the forum by a long way and probably close to the one shown on watchdog.
We need a meeting point that most of us can get too relatively easily by motorway and have a hour or two just discussing the problem.
Somewhere around the Reading area would work.
and you need a good car too, one like RussH's just so it can be shown to people that not all newer cars are faulty.......
I got my partner to test my 500 1.2L on the same hill that I struggled on. He's got vast amounts of experience (ex-police, now paramedic) and he couldn't get it to reverse up the incline at all (aside from burning the clutch plates). He said it was horrendous. Moving forward could only be achieved by taking the revs above 6000rpm and wheel-spinning horrendously.
My car has now finally (after much chasing of the dealership) been booked in for a diagnostics check next week. My car definitely has the problem - I took delivery of it on 20 September. It has only done 600 miles.
It definitely appears to be a batch problem, and not confined to the Euro6 engine. I was invited by Watchdog to have my car filmed in Bristol on Wednesday with Chris Hollins but was unable to make it. Luckily they got the Stig instead who could prove that it WASN'T driver ability but more an issue with the car. I hope that Fiat can get to the bottom of which cars have been affected and recall them as aside from this issue, I love my car.
