Technical Engines Died

[Bullitph29]

Heres the story

I have a 2000 (X Reg) Mk2 Punto HGT

Went out this morning & my steering warning light came on, But after starting a few times the steering was fine

Got The Car Home & had close to half a tank of fuel, The car stalled but i think this was my fault lol, but after starting the car the petrol gauge went from being nearly half to quarter of a tank, After turning the engine on again after being parked it then went to half very odd.

NOW, I went to pick up my nephew about 8 miles away from me,
got nearly home, was doing 80mph down the bypass then slowed down for the corner, put it into second to go round & the car just died ( had to be on a busy road too )

Got the car to a safe place & had a look over could see anything that stood out at such,
the car turns over but doesnt seem to be firing

(The temp of the car was about 1/4)

I have left the car for a couple of hours to cool down & incase of flooding but still wouldnt start.

Could anyone help me out with this.

Please & Thank You

 

[s and b]

me thinks you broky elastic band on engy

 

[dave]

sounds electrical like loose earth or dying battery

 

[Bullitph29]

Thats what i thought it was the battery but the battery is fairly new, well it looks like it, My mate did say its the crank position sensor but it doesnt start when its cold,

 

[Bullitph29]

me thinks you broky elastic band on engy

What do you mean Elastic Band????

 

[s and b]

What do you mean Elastic Band????

timing belt
i too thought earth or bsi issue at first
then
now
if
im not too sure

 

[Bullitph29]

Just spoke to my mate, & says it cant be that as theres still compression,
going to get thecode reader on it tomorrow hopefully that will give me a better clue on whats wrong,
Will also check for any loose earth wires too.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Possibly the crank possition sensor.......

 

[Bullitph29]

Possibly the crank possition sensor.......

With this being the cause of the problem would the engine start when its cold but not start when it get warm?????

or would it not start completely until replaced?

 

[Ziggy122]

With this being the cause of the problem would the engine start when its cold but not start when it get warm?????

or would it not start completely until replaced?

usually what happens is when Cold the contact are just strong enough to allow the engine to start and run

When it gets hot - metals and plastic expand, bummer i know

As a result that weak connection inside the pulls apart and the ecu goes
HELLO - FRANK?!
WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GO!!

HEY FRANK!!

FRANK!!

thats right - your ecu calls the crank sensor frank
Wait till he' meets freddie tho - they'll get on like a house on fire

The fault code should prove fruitful for you

Ziggy

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

With this being the cause of the problem would the engine start when its cold but not start when it get warm?????

or would it not start completely until replaced?

It's a classic symptom.

 

[Bullitph29]

usually what happens is when Cold the contact are just strong enough to allow the engine to start and run

When it gets hot - metals and plastic expand, bummer i know

As a result that weak connection inside the pulls apart and the ecu goes
HELLO - FRANK?!
WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GO!!

HEY FRANK!!

FRANK!!

thats right - your ecu calls the crank sensor frank
Wait till he' meets freddie tho - they'll get on like a house on fire

The fault code should prove fruitful for you

Ziggy

Thats a great way of saying that, love it,
Hopefully the code reader will give me the answers that i need,
Cheers.

 

[fingers99]

With this being the cause of the problem would the engine start when its cold but not start when it get warm?????

or would it not start completely until replaced?

Typically, if Crank Sensor has gone, there will be no spark and no fuel past the injector(s) -- the TDC sensor is the one that tells the ECU that the engine is turning over, aqnd if the engine isn't turning over, the ECU knows not to bother firing the plugs or injector(s).

So, easy to check.

Sometimes they'll fail intermittently and joggling the lead can bring the engine to life while being cranked. This cures nothing, but is useful for diagnostics.

But I suspect an issue with either the -ive battery terminal or one of the main earth leads in the engine bay.

Ooops -- often testers won't pick up a failed TDC sensor, so eliminate it first. If there's fuel past the injectors or a spark, the TDC sensor is probably in good health.

 

[Bullitph29]

Typically, if Crank Sensor has gone, there will be no spark and no fuel past the injector(s) -- the TDC sensor is the one that tells the ECU that the engine is turning over, aqnd if the engine isn't turning over, the ECU knows not to bother firing the plugs or injector(s).

So, easy to check.

Sometimes they'll fail intermittently and joggling the lead can bring the engine to life while being cranked. This cures nothing, but is useful for diagnostics.

But I suspect an issue with either the -ive battery terminal or one of the main earth leads in the engine bay.

Ooops -- often testers won't pick up a failed TDC sensor, so eliminate it first. If there's fuel past the injectors or a spark, the TDC sensor is probably in good health.

Am i right to think the the crank sensor is at the back of the block, so if im laying under the car its on the lefthand side???

 

[s and b]

Am i right to think the the crank sensor is at the back of the block, so if im laying under the car its on the lefthand side???

looking from the front

 

[Bullitph29]

looking from the front

Thanks for that,

 

[Brendan W]

Fuel gauges are kind of voltmeters. I would clean up the battery connections and the earth strap that goes to the top of the gearbox and always gets forgotten when clutches are changed.

 

[Bullitph29]

Just had the code reader on my car comes up with to errors,

Oil Pressure Sensor 0520
D601 Unknown Error

Googled D601 Unknown error & comes up with D601 CAN network BUS off???

 

[ChrisUK]

That D601 sounds like a bad earth / electrical connection. As said clean up battery contacts and easy to get to earthing points (I think there's a guide in the guide section).

 

[Bullitph29]

I have cleaned up the battery, changed the battery, cleaned up the connectors on the whole cable from the battery to the gearbox,

still no joy,

When i start the car (this was with a fully charged battery) the dash lights flicker, the steering warning light & abs light up, also the fuel gauge drops then goes back to normal,

Got a new Crank Position Sensor, thats going to be fitted in a hour or two, so hopefully that the cause,

But any other advice in the mean time would be very much greatful.

Also cant find anything in the guide section