Technical Ducato 2001 2.8d

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Technical Ducato 2001 2.8d

foxesden34

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Hi,

I had a replacement box a few years back however I am having issues with crunching changing up or down into third gear normally . If I change gear slowly allowing the revs to drop the gear change is smooth. There is also no problem putting it into gear when the vehicle is stationary.

I understand from reading through the forums this may well be the synchro mesh but before going down that route to try replacing the gearbox oil with fully synthetic and to slightly overfill.

Please let me know what gearbox oil to use and how much and any other thoughts
 
replacing the gearbox oil with fully synthetic
Personally speaking mate , my guess is your be wasting time and money . Your gearbox like mine , is built for mineral oil , not synthetic , so it's highly likely your find the problem far worse . Certainly shorten the life of the gearbox , though from what your saying i seriously doubt that's even possible . I will admit right now , i'm a little outta my depth here , but i'll try and help where i can . I've never had to work on any gearbox !

So if i may , i'll recite a little incident from a few years ago before i get started . Back in the 90's , i was given a 70's Japanese motorcycle . Now though it started and ran reasonable well , it used oil like it was going outta fashion , and could lay smoke better than any 2 stroke of the era . Not bad for a 4 stroke huh . Quizzing the previous owner , i discovered he was using a fully synthetic racing oil , specifically formulated for motorcycles . Now i knew this machine was not built for this , as i'd had one years previously . So i drained the oil , flushed the system , cleaned the filter which was not the replaceable type , and refilled with a high grade , 15/40 multigrade . It transformed the bike , it stopped smoking instantly , and the machine never used oil again . It had grip problems as well , but thats off subject .

Now one thought does spring to mind here , in that you are sure the gearbox is adjusted correctly arn't you . The linkage between the shifter and actual selector on the gearbox is by cable . I can't really help here , as i've never had to touch mine , but i could probably find the sequence and pass it on if needed
As for synthetic oil , i would not recommend it , i couldn't even guess at what synthetic oil alternate you could use . However there are a couple of other things you could try , but i'll be honest i have no idea what the outcome will be . First off you could try a different grade gearbox oil . My van is currently off road having some major restoration and upgrade work done , so i've not changed the gearbox oil in a while . Now if i remember correctly , my van requires a 75/80 grade gearbox oil . Your van is a year older than mine , so my guess is you should be the same . You could try upgrading to 85/90 , but be aware , if you have the ME5TU gearbox fitted , which due to the age of your van is likely , you could very well shorten the 5th gear life , as lubrication may well be reduced . Quick way to tell is from the shifter . Sat in the seat , reverse is far right and down , under 5th . Far left and up is the ME5GU , which doesn't suffer from the same issue .
Now the second is something i would advise you master as soon as possible , and its a driving technique called double declutching . This is a method of allowing the revs and speed to equalise prior to a gear change . Basically exactly what a synchromesh does . It's not difficult to learn , but is difficult to master , however once mastered a gear change can be both slick , without using the clutch , and quick , matching the speed of any clutch change . I don't know if you've ever being taught this driving technique , but basically it's a deliberate shift and pause in neutral , release the clutch wait a second , then re-engage the clutch and gently engage the next gear . If the rev's and speed match the gear should slip in , if not you will find stiff resistance . The problem is every gearbox is different , but even so revs should be around 1000-1500 , you just need to find that sweet spot . There is a slight difference going down , as a gentle rev is used whilst in neutral with the clutch released to pick the revs up , then clutch down , and select the lower gear .
So as a recap , changing up , clutch down , shift to neutral , clutch up , wait , clutch down , select . Changing down , clutch down , neutral , clutch up , rev , clutch down , select . Got it , practice , this will do more good than anything else .

I'm sorry , but from what your describing , my opinion is the only way to resolve this issue completely would be to either repair the existing gearbox , or replace . However i do understand your wanting to make the thing last , more so in this current climate we find ourselves in right now , but in my opinion , anything else is simply gonna be a waste of money .
 
I'm in the process of taking my gearbox apart to cure the very same problem and I'm hoping a replacement syncro ring will cure the problem. I did try refilling the gearbox with a heavier oil (90/140) and although this did help in didn't remove the problem. I'm 'old school' so learnt to double declutch but my wife can't master this and refuses to drive the motorhome. My motorhome is the same year as yours and the gearbox is straight forward to take apart and new syncro rings are available for around £40.
 
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