Technical Clutch pipe help urgently please if you can

[hastingsmum]

Flippin clip is all I can say... still not got it off and now my helpful neighbour is giving me lots of advise....

I'm just thinking, if I do manage to get this clip off and not loose it somewhere how on earth will it ever go back in???? :bang:

Can see my Multi still going to a garage next week

 

[hastingsmum]

So the clip wasn't where i thought it was at all.... but there is no doubt that I've found it this time... only I can't get any kind of hold of it, need something tiny as it's almost impossible to use two hands and at the same time see what I'm doing, tips on tiny but strong things welcome :idea:

 

[hastingsmum]

I can now happily tell you all that I finally removed the elusive clip and pipe came out easily, new pipe went on without too much swearing, now just need to refit that little clip and bleed the system, connect thga battery etc, but I may leave that all for tomorrow.

There were times I really thought this was impossible. Thank you all for your help!

 

[portland_bill]

Good luck with the final stages. Light at the end of the tunnel, but try not to get over-excited.

 

[hastingsmum]

Good luck with the final stages. Light at the end of the tunnel, but try not to get over-excited.

.....and think it's gonna be a piece of cake? yeah I can see the danger of that happening.

 

[hastingsmum]

oh and I realise I also have to actually remove the old pipe too, as it's still stuck behind there, it didn't seem so important at the time...

 

[hastingsmum]

Good luck with the final stages. Light at the end of the tunnel, but try not to get over-excited.

That light at the end of the tunnel, you said might just be a train coming.... yep, exactly that....

After my thread on bleeding I checked that the pipe was in properly at the master end and guess what? Of course it wasn't!

Pushing pipe in all I can but clip won't go on, assume that's because the pipe's not in far enough......?

Seems rather impossible or at least another case of needing those three hands when in reality I can't even ge two hands there....

Pep talk needed please

 

[portland_bill]

Pull yourself together, you're nearly there! Sorry, that's not what you meant by pep talk is it.

Not had to do one of these yet, but here are some thoughts.
With any pipe, threaded or push fit, it does need to be at exactly the right angle to fit properly. The rest of the pipe will fight this. (Don't chop it off to make this bit easier)

With the pipe out, place it beside the master cylinder, align the clip groove with the clip slot and note or mark how far in the pipe needs to go. That should prevent too far or too little. At this point, check to see if it appears at the right angle. May need slight bending to adjust.

Lubricate the "O"-ring with a little brake fluid to help it engage and seat.
Release the pipe from all of its clips, and with it at the right angle, push and wriggle it gently into position. (May need to release it from the slave, but hopefully that end is easier to get at.)
Hopefully that will sort it. When it is as far in as the clip, or your mark from earlier, don't push further. Fit the clip. (That's easy to write.)

Now reattach the slave end. Then fit it into the clips and bleed.

I do hope that helps.

 

[hastingsmum]

Pull yourself together, you're nearly there!

 

[hastingsmum]

Not had to do one of these yet, but here are some thoughts.
With any pipe, threaded or push fit, it does need to be at exactly the right angle to fit properly. The rest of the pipe will fight this. (Don't chop it off to make this bit easier)

haha, tempting....

With the pipe out, place it beside the master cylinder, align the clip groove with the clip slot and note or mark how far in the pipe needs to go. That should prevent too far or too little. At this point, check to see if it appears at the right angle. May need slight bending to adjust.

Lubricate the "O"-ring with a little brake fluid to help it engage and seat.
Release the pipe from all of its clips, and with it at the right angle, push and wriggle it gently into position. (May need to release it from the slave, but hopefully that end is easier to get at.)
Hopefully that will sort it. When it is as far in as the clip, or your mark from earlier, don't push further. Fit the clip. (That's easy to write.)

Now reattach the slave end. Then fit it into the clips and bleed.

I do hope that helps.

Yes I thought you might say something like this.... I will try tomorrow again to get it exactly right. I can't see anything but I've roughly measured the bit that can be seen outside and there is more of it now, so clearly not enough....

...and still laughing at your "pep talk" haha

 

[hastingsmum]

Fed up, fed up, fed up!!!! Stamping feet fed up, lol

Decided I'd had enough of trying to fit that annoying but sadly necessary clutch pipe... so rang a local mechanic who came and tried but he couldn't even get to the master cylinder and said he needs to drop the engine at least a bit to do it, so could be hours and hours of labour (though cheap at least)


It's so annoying, I know it can be done and I can't give up but just want to scream now.... The latest issue is trying to get the pipe back out to see if it looks like it needs straightening, but it's just nearly imopossible!!!

So rant over, will have some lunch and go back out and try again...

 

[slobo]

I thought you had fitted the pipe and was bleeding it?

 

[hastingsmum]

I thought you had fitted the pipe and was bleeding it?

Yes so did I. but I updated this thread recently with the pipe not properly on and back to scratch really...


Anyway, I'm determined my Multi won't need to go into a workshop and been trying lots to get the pipe (at the master side, the other side is clearly visable so esIER if not easy) in and clip on, and one time when I pulled pipe back out as it wasn't quite in it was dripping lots of fluid so I'm guessing it was almost in position????

Another glimmer of light at the end of this annoying tunnel???

 

[portland_bill]

Have the pipe disconnected from the slave and out of all its clips. That way it should fight the least when fitting into the master. Once in the master, then fit to slave, then into its clips, gently reshaping if ness.

Good luck.

 

[hastingsmum]

Have the pipe disconnected from the slave and out of all its clips. That way it should fight the least when fitting into the master. Once in the master, then fit to slave, then into its clips, gently reshaping if ness.

Good luck.

Thank you! But it is not connected and completely free it just will not go in

 

[slobo]

Yes so did I. but I updated this thread recently with the pipe not properly on and back to scratch really...

Oh, ok, Well best of luck. At least the weather is nice!

 

[hastingsmum]

Oh, ok, Well best of luck. At least the weather is nice!

: nutter: Yes at least that

 

[portland_bill]

A few thoughts, late in the day.

Check the pipe end against the original, to check they are the same dimensions, diameter, length to clip groove, etc. If different, may need to swap the ends, if the screw pipe connector will detach from the push-in fitting. Check the o-ring is the same. Make sure the original o-ring is not still inside the master.

If all is ok, will just need a bit of lubrication, then wriggle and jiggle, and swear a bit. Then a big sigh of relief when it goes in.

 

[hastingsmum]

A few thoughts, late in the day.

Check the pipe end against the original, to check they are the same dimensions, diameter, length to clip groove, etc. If different, may need to swap the ends, if the screw pipe connector will detach from the push-in fitting. Check the o-ring is the same. Make sure the original o-ring is not still inside the master.

If all is ok, will just need a bit of lubrication, then wriggle and jiggle, and swear a bit. Then a big sigh of relief when it goes in.

I don't want to jinx it so not going to make any comments right now...


What I can say though, not talking specifically about that pipe, is that the bleed nipple on the bulkhead is a non metric size, hopefully a "5/16 AF" as that's what I've ordered from Amazon (no one around here sells them and not even Halfords has them in stock).

 

[hastingsmum]

I don't want to jinx it so not going to make any comments right now...


What I can say though, not talking specifically about that pipe, is that the bleed nipple on the bulkhead is a non metric size, hopefully a "5/16 AF" as that's what I've ordered from Amazon (no one around here sells them and not even Halfords has them in stock).

So a slight update...

I fitted the pipe last week and bled the system from the slave cylinder with the help of a Gundon ezibleed, all fine, the pedal now doesn't stay on the floor anymore but there is no pressure behind it either.

So I ordered this imperial inbetween sized spanner and have been waiting patiently since.
It arrived today finally and it doesn't fit either, again it's slightly too big (the 8mm is too big and the 7mm too small and this 5/16 AF one was the only other option I could find)

So I thought, that's it, I'll start from scratch and try to bleed just from slave and not the bulkhead, but have now ended up with pedal to the floor again...

Now I'm thinking I might just do what was recommended earlier and leave it dripping over night??? and next time I try to bleed to do it with an adult and not an 8 year old who may or may not have taken my instructions in :bang:

Despite this it still feels like a manageable job and not the total impossibility the pipe felt like Wish me luck!