General cinq on track

[Lenny_mc]

howdy all! Did my first track day in the cinq on Monday. Had a great time. track was mondello park in ireland, national circuit. Twisty technical circuit with no long straights so suited the cinq.

The car is a failry standard 1997 cinq sporting with chip, disks, pads, strut brace and apex suspension and back seats whipped out.

First impressions were it was good through the corner, but did understeer a bit. ANy ideas on what can cure this? Im on standard wheels and tyres. No power on the straight so was getting passed by everything - looking at engine change at some stage. Hopefully 1368 (if it will fit - has anyone done this in a cinq?)

Ill be doing more track days in the cinq, and am using it as a rolling modification kinda thing. Ill keep yis updated.


couple of pics:

 

[rallycinq]

Just goes to show that a road based suspension kit is no use on a track.

What tyre pressures did you run?

Cheers

D

 

[fingers99]

It does look as though those sidewalls are compressing more than I'd expect. Could be tyre pressures.

Without putting a cage in, one thing some people say helps is putting a brace more or less where the rear seat was: the rear seat is said to stiffen the rear end a little. You can't buy these things commercially, but one would be easy enough to knock up.

 

[Brooky]

very easy to make one

steel tubing cut to size
two end plate with 3 holes in each
two welds

job done

 

[rallycinq]

On a track day you need to be aware that the tyres can get very hot and the pressures will increase which is not good for handling.

Cheers

D

 

[Brooky]

What tyres are they???

 

[levemircento]

them fronts are underinflated, and that will only contribute to understeer

 

[Lenny_mc]

standard tyres - p700s at 28 psi cold.

this is my first go at doing a track car or anything like that.

what suspension would you recomend rallycinq?

 

[BlueDan]

Ah, so that's why the writing is slowly wearing off my Cinq's sidewalls

Sorry to go 1/2 ot but how old are you, and how much did it cost for track insurance and the day itself?

About stiffening up the rear, wouldn't the rear beam do that already, to a degree?

 

[fingers99]

I'd say 28 is too low. 332 maybe, just watch for it coming up too fast (see if you can fill with nitrogen cheap).

But understeer is probably the "natural" characteristic of the car, not helped by the Pirellis.

 

[Brooky]

I'd say 28 is too low. 332 maybe

332psi

 

[fingers99]

Mishtake! I mean 32psi!

 

[Lenny_mc]

cheers fingers - ill try 32 the next time. Im also going for some different tyres next time. preferably a track day tyre something like an a048 by yokohama.

@ dan, im over 30 and didnt get track day insurance. (i dont even know if it is avilable in ireland)

 

[rallycinq]

what suspension would you recomend rallycinq?

Good question. If you are going to use the car on the road you need something that is adjustable, as a tarmac set up will be horrible on the road.

Height adjustable would be good too, so coil over fronts, and two pairs of rears to suit what you are doing at the front.

Cheers

D

 

[Lenny_mc]

Cheers Rallycinq! I plan on using it on the road allright - ill have a look round and see what is out there.

 

[BlueDan]

@ dan, im over 30 and didnt get track day insurance. (i dont even know if it is avilable in ireland)

ah, I was curious as to how much it cost you for your age but I suppose the cost of cover in Ireland wouldn't reflect the cost in the UK anyway.

 

[Diwiak]

nice pictures, another dublin's cinq,

how much did you paid for track day??? some company will insure you for this??? I dont' think so..

 

[Brooky]

how much did you paid for track day??? some company will insure you for this??? I dont' think so..

There are companys that will insure you for track days

 

[Toomanytoys]

I used some Dunlop sport 2000 in 175/50 r 13 on my old Cinq.. fantastic.. actualy tread was wider than a 185.. but kept the rolling diameter.. brill in the dry but as the footprint was quite large, they would slide in the wet a bit.. wear was great.. should think those P700's are worn out now.. the original set on my car was done in 15k miles.. the Sport 2000 were still going strong after 20k

 

[fingers99]

I had some of those Dunlops on the tub. They were lethal in the wet, quite the nastiest tyre I've encountered. Binned and replaced by Uniroyal Rainsports.

Trouble with 13s is that there simply isn't much tyre choice at sensible money.