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Technical Can't change gears

StiloBoy said:
I had the same symptoms as you've mentioned! Turns out my clutch had gone. Strangely some of the teeth on the plate had bent the wrong way slightly.

Bearing was worn but not shot and loads of meat on the clutch.

New clutch fixed it! Not cheap at the end of the day but it was worth it!
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Thanks you! This is not at all what I want to hear though.... (n) but fear for the worst
 
widemouthfrog said:
In the photo, it looks as though there's a gap between the bellhousing and engine. Is that so? If there is, you need to do something pronto, but it would at least explain why you can't change gear. As the two spread, less and less of the slave cylinder movement will go into pushing the clutch plate.
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I've had another look with some light and there is a small screw that doesn't seem to want to screw back in. Need to have another look with a proper flashlight or something and not the torch app on my BlackBerry...:rolleyes: and the car up on ramps would probably help loads too.

BUT when I pushed the screw in and tried driving the gear change was perfect until it came apart again.... So yes there is a gap, maybe 3mm.

But what do I do if the screw doesn't go in? It also won't come out, there just isn't enough gap...

 
I realise I'm currently the only one posting on this thread so feel a bit like I'm talking to myself, but I'm sad I guess and don't mind... :D:rolleyes:

So a quick update, I managed to get that screw back in and tighten the other as the plate was still loose, but then when I started the car it was still stuck in gear and pretty quickly it smelt of clutch, so I fear the worst :bang:
 
Is it possible your gearbox has moved a couple of mill away from your engine??(loose bolts on the bell housing?)

Was the clutch replaced recently/before you bought... Its just your finding loose screws and if memory serves me correctly that light plate you are holding is supposed to be sandwiched between engine and gearbox.

If this is the case you may be lucky in that the bolts just need to be tightened all the way around.
Its really hard to tell if this is the case.

What you could try is(and it may or may not shine some light on this):

Operate the clutch with someone watching the gap or holding the plate to see if it becomes looser when the clutch is depressed.
Marty.
 
martyc5674 said:
What you could try is(and it may or may not shine some light on this):

Operate the clutch with someone watching the gap or holding the plate to see if it becomes looser when the clutch is depressed.
Marty.
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Excellent! (y) I shall do this shortly, as I'm already soaked from being under the car in the pouring rain, lol
Thank you all for your tips and ideas!!!
 
hastingsmum said:
On my 1.6 this would have been an easy thing to check, what a difference, but in the end, with slightly unwilling childrens help, I've found that the arm does move...

But then saying that, the gears engage and disengage right this moment, although they are VERY stiff, maybe I should check again when they stick, which they no doubt will asap if I try to drive it...

On a more positive note, I think I have found where the oil leak is coming from...


What I'm holding onto is very loose, I'm guessing it's not meant to be... also I'm sure there aren'ty meant to be two bolts missing (one you can see missing in the pic).

There is also a very slight leak from the gearbox seal, which I think I had always on my 1.6 so not going to worry about.... but I guess unless I get to the bottom of the clutch issue these other issues are irrelevant...:(

So off out to see if anything changes....(y)
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If the arm is moving as it should and the issue isn't with the gearbox coming away from the engine then it is going to be down to the clutch.
On this photo there appears to be a very large damp patch on the floor, is this from the rain? the reason I ask is that everywhere else on the photo appears dry.
 
That thin plate is just a shield of some kind, it moves on mine too.
I had the gearbox off a while ago and the plate is just sandwiched between the engine and gearbox, it's not physically bolted in.
The gap you see is normal too, the clutch housing, as on pretty-much every car, isn't sealed/airtight.

Mine also has an oil leak (from the Turbo oil return pipe I think, probably more than one place [Nr.4 on my to-do list] :rolleyes:), the whole front of the engine is constantly wet, and it does look like it's coming from the gap shown, but it's not.

Are you sure the stiff/difficult gear-changing isn't simply the cables?
The sealing 'boot' at the bottom end of one of my cables is split [Nr. 6 on my TDL], and when it's wet/raining, the gear-change gets stiff (forward-rearward movement only), a quick squirt with WD40 cures it instantly.
 
So many questions and info....

I can't see any movement when clutch depressed..... assuming I'm not meant to then....?

Wet patch ;) is just water, don't know why, but not oil of any kind.... There is an oil leak and a slight gearbox seal leak.

I'm not sure about cables as the gear change has been fine it just VERY suddenly stopped working alltogether with no warning of stiff gear changes... My old 1.6 had gear change issues, which several people told me might be cables as the gearbox oil had been replaced, and this feels nothing like it.. Also that shouldn't affect all the gears should it?

But if it still could be that, what am I looking for, movement/no movement or frayed cables? Also I seemt o remember for the 1.6 the cables were about £100, anyone know off hand?

The only thing that was out of the ordinary just days before this happened was the engine sounded noisier/louder than normal, which I guess makes sense in retrospect.

Today we have travelled by bus, a bit exciting for the kids but probably not in the long run...:p
 
hastingsmum said:
. . . I'm not sure about cables as the gear change has been fine it just VERY suddenly stopped working altogether with no warning of stiff gear changes... My old 1.6 had gear change issues, which several people told me might be cables as the gearbox oil had been replaced, and this feels nothing like it.. Also that shouldn't affect all the gears should it?
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That's what happened with mine, absolutely fine during the lovely Summer weather we had, then the first bit of rain we had it went stiff/tight.

If it's a stiff cable/cables, you could remove the gearbox from the car and the gear-lever would still feel stiff/tight, so yes, it would affect all gears as such.
 
If gear selection is ok when engine off, cables are not the issue.
Unable to select or deselect gears with engine running is a clutch issue, not disengaging. This could be down to hydraulics, most likely, or clutch failure, less likely. When the clutch pedal is depressed, the arm on the gearbox should move to operate the release bearing inside the bell housing. What we need now is someone with a diesel Multi to tell us how far it should move, so that a comparison can be made. If it is not moving far enough, either slave or master cylinder will be the cause. If it does move far enough, then gearbox would have to come out to look at the clutch, probably to replace it.
 
portland_bill said:
If gear selection is ok when engine off, cables are not the issue.
Unable to select or deselect gears with engine running is a clutch issue, not disengaging. This could be down to hydraulics, most likely, or clutch failure, less likely. When the clutch pedal is depressed, the arm on the gearbox should move to operate the release bearing inside the bell housing. What we need now is someone with a diesel Multi to tell us how far it should move, so that a comparison can be made. If it is not moving far enough, either slave or master cylinder will be the cause. If it does move far enough, then gearbox would have to come out to look at the clutch, probably to replace it.
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Sorry missed this last night, yes that's what I was thinking. If I compare it to how far it moved on my 1.6 the movement I could see didn't seem nearly as much...

And any reply that tells me it might not be the clutch itself makes me :)
 
Just thought of something.... I've only been driving my jtd since the beginning of summer but it's always been very strong and will keep moving forwards (towards traffic lights when I've slowed down) even when my feet are off the pedals altogether, where other cars I've driven would have stalled.

Is this normal or also due to clutch issues?
 
portland_bill said:
If 1st or 2nd gear is engaged, engine should pull at tickover without stalling, unless uphill. Useful for slow moving queues. Most petrol engines will do this too.
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Thank you! My Rover 214 so did not do that, nor my 1.6 Multi... :rolleyes: :D
Glad to know something's right with mine then...

Found another thread on here with similar symptoms.. https://www.fiatforum.com/multipla/327242-fiat-multipla-jtd-unable-gear-change.html

(Not sure if that cured the issues though as he also is on a thread about WD40 on the clutch arm)
 
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