I find it incredible that you're still complaining about Fiats after so many years, shame on you.
General Calling all start 'n' stop owners!
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General Calling all start 'n' stop owners!
I find it incredible that you're still complaining about Fiats after so many years, shame on you.
I'd agree with you; and while you're at it, add boot hatch wiring & door handles to the list.
Fiat seem to be adopting the kind of mentality that haunted BL during the seventies; IMO it's only the eye candy appeal of the 500 that allows them to get away with it and still have a market in the UK.
Meanwhile people are being beheaded over seas
What's happening overseas is atrocious; but it's not relevant to what's being discussed here.
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You think the 500 is the worst car on the road these days?
Of course not, and not by a long way; none of the common weak points are in themselves serious, but they could and should have been fixed a long time ago.
It's been said before, but the issue is as much about the attitude of Fiat and the dealer network as it is about the faults themselves.
Well then why agree with a misery guts whose only posts on here are to slag off what is a generally reliable car.
S&S these days runs well for most people as long as there's a decent battery onboard. Simple as that.
Meanwhile people are being beheaded over seas
Just logged on. WTF has this got to do with this anything posted on this forum. Have I missed something?
Ricard only comes on here to moan about 500's and how crap they are and MEP was saying that there are bigger things wrong with the world.
Absolutely nothing.
No.
Back to topic - why can't Fiat engineer the S/S system so that it present a clear message of the MFD when the battery voltage is outside limits; that way, folks would have a much better idea of what's happening (or not happening).
I agree with that, but I suspect that would be harmful in some ways
I agree also, but having been in an engineering background unfortunately too much information can be dangerous or cause information over load for some.
I suppose it comes back to the tech not even being able to pick up on it easily (poor training or diagnostics equipment / build in error codes programming) which makes the issue worse
I suppose it comes back to the tech not even being able to pick up on it easily (poor training or diagnostics equipment / build in error codes programming) which makes the issue worse
Hmm. Yes. It might mean Fiat having to replace a few more batteries under warranty.
Or people expecting a new battery every few months because they only do short journeys.
Or expecting a new battery after they've left it standing unused for months at a time.
A thought - why not design in a relay to disconnect the battery once the voltage drops low enough to put it at risk from deep discharging? My 'phone does this; why not my car also? The only real downside I can think of is that you'd have to unlock it with the key - all the critical data could be stored in NVRAM.
to be fair most batteries simply don't work that well with short journeys....
I feel bad now saying that I am off to continue with campaigning for the Yes camp, as there are indeed bigger things wrong with the world than our vote in Scotland. But only once in a lifetime vote, so best give it our best shot.
Edit. Should apologise for taking this way off topic. Too much Scotch consumed tonight.
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Piccolo Nero e Bella
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Surely simpler to disconnect the battery manually before it's at risk or better still connect a trickle charger. What I would like to see is a battery recharging socket, instead of using alligator clips with their attendant risks, so you could park the car and plug in the charger without worrying about polarity.
Ctek comfort leads, that is all.
Ricard
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She still loves it and I really think it's a good car as far as small cars go if you can accept the failures.
Ours is the 95 HP multijet it provides zippy motoring for not a lot of money if you discount the constant repairs and failures by Fiat to cross the T's and dot the I's.
I have never complained about VW, nor replaced a battery, sump-pan, exhaust, door handle, front steering bushes, new gear-shift cables and work on the pivot point all within four years but it goes like ****-of-a-shovel and rattles like the shovel.
You keep bitching and bullying me to stop adding my comments will just result in my illustrating the problems in a more colourful way.
Keyboard-warrior.
the problem is this, I can understand that you're disappointed with your car and the faults that it's had, but you carry on as if these faults are endemic in 500 circles.
Exhausts don't last long and the door handle happens on far too many cars I'll give you that, but none of the other issues you've had tend to happen in great numbers.
The problem is that you post constantly in a negative manner and this will give people the impression that the 500 is troublesome when it's not. They'll then go to another forum where the car might be MORE troublesome and due to there not being a loudmouth piping up on every thread they'll think the car is more reliable.
Your car hasn't been reliable, say your bit, but stop posting it in every bleeding thread.
Take this thread, the system actually works as it has been designed by BOSCH (not Fiat, BOSCH) and flakey start & stop is usually indicative of an issue elsewhere in the car, a battery that never gets enough charge or a battery that's worn out.
Should Bosch develop a system that gets s&s to cut in when the battery might be too weak to start again? Should they develop a system that on short distance use will flick up a message saying "REPLACE £150 BATTERY" every 6 months?
You complain, you bitch, you moan, you bleat on and on but you never try and suggest a fix for the issue and in not doing that you can't understand the limitations and constraints that Bosch have had to work to.
Exhausts don't last long and the door handle happens on far too many cars I'll give you that, but none of the other issues you've had tend to happen in great numbers.
The problem is that you post constantly in a negative manner and this will give people the impression that the 500 is troublesome when it's not. They'll then go to another forum where the car might be MORE troublesome and due to there not being a loudmouth piping up on every thread they'll think the car is more reliable.
Your car hasn't been reliable, say your bit, but stop posting it in every bleeding thread.
Take this thread, the system actually works as it has been designed by BOSCH (not Fiat, BOSCH) and flakey start & stop is usually indicative of an issue elsewhere in the car, a battery that never gets enough charge or a battery that's worn out.
Should Bosch develop a system that gets s&s to cut in when the battery might be too weak to start again? Should they develop a system that on short distance use will flick up a message saying "REPLACE £150 BATTERY" every 6 months?
You complain, you bitch, you moan, you bleat on and on but you never try and suggest a fix for the issue and in not doing that you can't understand the limitations and constraints that Bosch have had to work to.
