General Buying a Panda cross 4x4 - how to Check 4x4 system is working ok

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General Buying a Panda cross 4x4 - how to Check 4x4 system is working ok

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Hi guys. I’m planning on buying a 2016 4x4 panda cross later this week from a car dealer. Before I purchase how can I check that the 4x4 functions are all working ok ie off-road,hill descent etc. I have an ODB2 scanner to read codes if that helps. Many thanks. I’m new to this forum. Richard
 
Model
Panda cross 4x4
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2016
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60000
The checks need to be mechanical. Code readers read codes. But (generally) codes only appear when there’s a fault :)
A big slippery field would be useful. But, to be honest, it’s so good at ‘just working’ it’ll be fine.

Just remember- never (ever) select off-road mode on tarmac as that will break something. ‘On road’ mode actually means ‘choose 4x4 entirely automatically’. Off road mode forces 4 wheel drive but does not engage the (virtual) diff lock. That too only happens when the system feels it needs to. But it can only do that when off road mode is chosen. ELD only cuts in if one wheel is off the road and up in the air and spinning freely.

Better to read it this way:

Dial position 1 = auto 4x4 but no ELD available

Dial position 2 = permanent 4x4 and auto ELD if it’s needed (never select this on tarmac)

Dial position 3 = same as position 2, plus hill descent control on a hill so steep you wouldn’t dare driving down it. For ‘normal’ hills (less than 1in 2), simply use 4x4 and engine braking. Never use on tarmac.

Note: Hill descent control only works if at least one wheel is turning. It is not likely to work on ice or very slippery mud as, with all four wheels sliding, the wheel sensors say ‘oh, none of the four wheels are turning… I must be parked’
 
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The checks need to be mechanical. Code readers read codes. But (generally) codes only appear when there’s a fault :)
A big slippery field would be useful. But, to be honest, it’s so good at ‘just working’ it’ll be fine.

Just remember- never (ever) select off-road mode on tarmac as that will break something. ‘On road’ mode actually means ‘choose 4x4 entirely automatically’. Off road mode forces 4 wheel drive but does not engage the (virtual) diff lock. That too only happens when the system feels it needs to. But it can only do that when off road mode is chosen. ELD only cuts in if one wheel is off the road and up in the air and spinning freely.

Better to read it this way:

Dial position 1 = auto 4x4 but no ELD available

Dial position 2 = permanent 4x4 and auto ELD if it’s needed (never select this on tarmac)

Dial position 3 = same as position 2, plus hill descent control on a hill so steep you wouldn’t dare driving down it. For ‘normal’ hills (less than 1in 2), simply use 4x4 and engine braking. Never use on tarmac.

Note: Hill descent control only works if at least one wheel is turning. It is not likely to work on ice or very slippery mud as, with all four wheels sliding, the wheel sensors say ‘oh, none of the four wheels are turning… I must be parked’
Oh how I love my "straightforward" 4x4 TA! Boot it in first with front wheels on turned in one or other direction and you know if it works! (Outer radius front will lose grip and you will get a glorious shove in the back!).
 
Oh how I love my "straightforward" 4x4 TA! Boot it in first with front wheels on turned in one or other direction and you know if it works! (Outer radius front will lose grip and you will get a glorious shove in the back!).
Basically the same options there too — we don’t have a button for ‘auto 4x4’ as that’s the default. Pressing the dash button on the non-Cross 4x4 is same as turning the Cross dial to position 2. We don’t have HDC, but if you have the MJ (like mine) there’s enough engine braking in first gear to (probably) mount need HDC anyway :)
 
The checks need to be mechanical. Code readers read codes. But (generally) codes only appear when there’s a fault :)
A big slippery field would be useful. But, to be honest, it’s so good at ‘just working’ it’ll be fine.

Just remember- never (ever) select off-road mode on tarmac as that will break something. ‘On road’ mode actually means ‘choose 4x4 entirely automatically’. Off road mode forces 4 wheel drive but does not engage the (virtual) diff lock. That too only happens when the system feels it needs to. But it can only do that when off road mode is chosen. ELD only cuts in if one wheel is off the road and up in the air and spinning freely.

Better to read it this way:

Dial position 1 = auto 4x4 but no ELD available

Dial position 2 = permanent 4x4 and auto ELD if it’s needed (never select this on tarmac)

Dial position 3 = same as position 2, plus hill descent control on a hill so steep you wouldn’t dare driving down it. For ‘normal’ hills (less than 1in 2), simply use 4x4 and engine braking. Never use on tarmac.

Note: Hill descent control only works if at least one wheel is turning. It is not likely to work on ice or very slippery mud as, with all four wheels sliding, the wheel sensors say ‘oh, none of the four wheels are turning… I must be parked’
Thank you so so much. Really informative for newbie me. This is really appreciated. I can’t wait to pick the car up this Friday.
 
Dial position 3 = same as position 2, plus hill descent control on a hill so steep you wouldn’t dare driving down it. For ‘normal’ hills (less than 1in 2), simply use 4x4 and engine braking. Never use on tarmac.

Out of interest, why not use hill descent on tarmac?

My possibly incorrect understanding is that given the car has to be in neutral for it to operate it shouldn't pose any risk of winding up the transmission as long as you pop it back into position 1 after descent.
 
Oh how I love my "straightforward" 4x4 TA! Boot it in first with front wheels on turned in one or other direction and you know if it works! (Outer radius front will lose grip and you will get a glorious shove in the back!).
 
Not kind to the prop centre bearing that way. Try driving up a standard kerb head on. 2wd it will struggle. May need a few inches run up. In 4x4 it will go up fairly easily. The first time you tpull out of a side road in a hurry and you get no wheel slip you will know. Normally you notice nothing but in bad conditions the staggering capability will please you. Im nearly tempted to say if you get stuck in the 4x4 Ill pay you a tenner! The 2wd Pandas will spin the inside front wheel too easily on wet roads. The 4x4 never spins wheels in normal drriving. Treat theclutch / DMF kindly would be my best advice for your new car. Welcome to the sensible car owners club.
 
Out of interest, why not use hill descent on tarmac?

My possibly incorrect understanding is that given the car has to be in neutral for it to operate it shouldn't pose any risk of winding up the transmission as long as you pop it back into position 1 after descent.
Because you’re unlikely to find tarmac steep enough to need it, and more likely to have grip there.
My understanding is that it can be used in gear too - I may be wrong (my 4x4 Panda doesn’t have it) but with various off road vehicles I drive with a local conservation group, HDC will operate up to 20 mph in gear as well.
 
Because you’re unlikely to find tarmac steep enough to need it, and more likely to have grip there.
My understanding is that it can be used in gear too - I may be wrong (my 4x4 Panda doesn’t have it) but with various off road vehicles I drive with a local conservation group, HDC will operate up to 20 mph in gear as well.
@ClassicZoo From the handbook* (where it’s called Gravity Control System) - two choices:
  • either select (more accurately, pre-select) HDC – which can only be done if you are already in 'off road' mode – and then slow to 25kmh or less (staying in gear) and take your feet off the accelerator and brake. It will then keep you at the speed you've choosen;
  • or you can use it at super low speeds of 5-9kmh with the vehicle in neutral. See pages 60-61 of the handbook (pictured below).
The handbook fails to mention - do not depress the clutch while HDC is operating as (over 9kmh) it needs the engine braking from being in a low gear to be effective - basically it's supplementing that. You have to be sure the gear you are in when HDC cuts in is suitable: if too low the engine will stall and HDC will not be able to keep control.

* do folk read the manuals? Often I find I’m quoting from them in answering comments in the forum 😛
 

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