.....but Gents - all we are doing is guessing. Nobody seems to have any definite info about the gearbox.
General Brake Pad Wear 1.3 Multijet Sporting
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General Brake Pad Wear 1.3 Multijet Sporting
Anyway, back to brakes... 
My Sporting had done 35000 miles on original pads and disks. Then I did 4 laps of the Nurburgring. The brake pedal was noticably longer, but the brakes worked fine. At the 36000 mile service I expected to have to pay for new brake pads, but apparently they're fine!
I did get an advisory about wear on all 4 tyres though - Continental EcoContacts go sticky when you give them 14 miles of fun
My Sporting had done 35000 miles on original pads and disks. Then I did 4 laps of the Nurburgring. The brake pedal was noticably longer, but the brakes worked fine. At the 36000 mile service I expected to have to pay for new brake pads, but apparently they're fine!
I did get an advisory about wear on all 4 tyres though - Continental EcoContacts go sticky when you give them 14 miles of fun
wardth
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Back to the brakes guys........
Ancaster are sending my father a cheque for the work. I wonder why...........
For comparison, my Punto 1.9 HGT Multijet with 150bhp Angel re-map has just had its first set of pads front and rear at 40K............
Ancaster are sending my father a cheque for the work. I wonder why...........
For comparison, my Punto 1.9 HGT Multijet with 150bhp Angel re-map has just had its first set of pads front and rear at 40K............
Did they make any suggestion as to what might be causing excess wear? I'm presuming that you questionned why the brake pads were replaced and they couldn't prove anything as the old ones had been binned. I saw my old ones and they were most definitely worn...
I just picked up my Sporting from it's second service, at only 11500 miles. They said the front discs were corroded and needed replacing, at a cost of £173. I'm going to drop into Kwik Fit tomorrow to see what they say. I can't believe the discs would need changing after only two years and 11500 miles! They also said the front tyres were worn much more on the inside than the outside. Probably just the tracking, but I seem to remember reading somewhere on here about bent suspension. Unfortunately, I'm now onto the 3rd year of the warranty, which as I understand it, covers pretty much nothing.
Derv drinker
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Had my service, no mention of the pad wear, but I do mainly motorway miles, as the for the gearbox rating, and being an engineer, I would like to think that Fiat have factored in a good margin to advertise it at 150Nm, it may well be much more than this 2x or 3x possibly, explaining why that those that have re-mapped their engines have reported no failures. It would design folly to utilise a gearbox that is at its limit of torque when fitted to an engine. It is only usually done where there are space / size / weight limits involved and the risk of failure is acceptable with respect to safety and financial penalties involved.
Hello everyone. Had my multijet (Juliet) for over a year now, only used on weekends to cover great distances (up to 1700km or 1000+miles in less than 24hours). I have done 45000kms (thats 28000+miles) and my pads are more that half of their thickness.I think they will last at least 20000miles more. Ι get no noises from the brakes front or rear and the handbrake is still tight and working perfectly. Being a mechanic I can service it myself although there is nothing to do but change the oil and its filters.
I am not sure about the clutch,though, for I installed a tuning box the week before(abrieb chiptuning box), did 700miles and the clutch was slipping everytime I stepped on the gas pedal more than a third of its way! 120miles after I installed it I was at 110km/h 5th almost 2600revs and when I tried to accelerate revs went to 3000+ with no acceleration at all. Had to keep my foot to just touch the gas pedal. Things just got worse as I was going. Had to remove it, clutch couldn't handle it...I drove Juliet today without the box and the clutch did not slip at all. I had two passengers with me driving uphills and all I can say it WHAT A RELIEF!
Does anyone know where to get a reinforced clutch disk for the Panda?Something that would tolerate its torque? I liked the boxed engine. The only letdown apart from the clutch with the box, was the trip computer being optimistic by 0,3l/100km less that actual(almost 4mpg more). It may sound ridiculous but when going through deserted roads at nights, on mountains away from anyone and of course gas stations you have to rely on the trip computer just to be sure you won't be left without diesel and adjust your driving...
I am not sure about the clutch,though, for I installed a tuning box the week before(abrieb chiptuning box), did 700miles and the clutch was slipping everytime I stepped on the gas pedal more than a third of its way! 120miles after I installed it I was at 110km/h 5th almost 2600revs and when I tried to accelerate revs went to 3000+ with no acceleration at all. Had to keep my foot to just touch the gas pedal. Things just got worse as I was going. Had to remove it, clutch couldn't handle it...I drove Juliet today without the box and the clutch did not slip at all. I had two passengers with me driving uphills and all I can say it WHAT A RELIEF!
Does anyone know where to get a reinforced clutch disk for the Panda?Something that would tolerate its torque? I liked the boxed engine. The only letdown apart from the clutch with the box, was the trip computer being optimistic by 0,3l/100km less that actual(almost 4mpg more). It may sound ridiculous but when going through deserted roads at nights, on mountains away from anyone and of course gas stations you have to rely on the trip computer just to be sure you won't be left without diesel and adjust your driving...
When I took mine in to the dealer they said they were not surprised to hear the pads had gone at that mileage as they knew of some that had failed earlier. They offered to fit some harder wearing pads but warned they would probably wear the new discs down more quickly. Next time I may have to look at aftermarket pads and discs.
Lord Azrael
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I had to change the pads and discs at around 32,000.
I had to get the pads from Fiat as the aftermarket ones without wear indicators weren't available elsewhere, cost about £45.
The Discs I got for about £35 for the pair from Halfords as they made a pricing error on them. Apparently they should have been closer to £120 for the pair!!!! But since they'd made the error, they gave them to me for the £35, most chuffed!
Easy job to do on this car too, easier than the Uno ones even. LAst time I had to change the Uno discs many years ago I had a hydraulic puller set putting about 15tons of pressure trying to remove them and the disc actually broke, but remained on the car!! Took some sledgehammering to eventually break the line of rust inside!!
A little different from the Haynes description.....Take out bolt, remove disc...:bang:
I had to get the pads from Fiat as the aftermarket ones without wear indicators weren't available elsewhere, cost about £45.
The Discs I got for about £35 for the pair from Halfords as they made a pricing error on them. Apparently they should have been closer to £120 for the pair!!!! But since they'd made the error, they gave them to me for the £35, most chuffed!
Easy job to do on this car too, easier than the Uno ones even. LAst time I had to change the Uno discs many years ago I had a hydraulic puller set putting about 15tons of pressure trying to remove them and the disc actually broke, but remained on the car!! Took some sledgehammering to eventually break the line of rust inside!!
A little different from the Haynes description.....Take out bolt, remove disc...:bang:
doctorchris
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Front discs and pads for a 1.3 MJ/4x4 cost around £93 inc VAT but before postage on shop4parts and I believe these are original Fiat parts.
This will be my source when I replace mine quite soon as the car is still under dealer warranty and I don't want to fit pattern parts.
This will be my source when I replace mine quite soon as the car is still under dealer warranty and I don't want to fit pattern parts.
check dealers regulary as they have loads special offers on pads/discs...remember unlike alot of places they have targets to meet....can always haggle or get some oil thrown in etc;-)
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Lord Azrael
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I did check with my dealer prior to doing this work as it's still under warranty, and they had no problem with me doing brake work and there was no stipulation that you had to use their parts either.
Always worth clarifying it with your own dealer prior to carrying out work though.
Always worth clarifying it with your own dealer prior to carrying out work though.
doctorchris
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This might be of interest to some of you. I posted on the Honest John website regarding how much brake pad material should be left before replacement is needed.
It appears that the minimum thickness for the MOT is 1.5mm but the consensus of opinion is that you should not let the pads go below 3mm.
This means that the pads and discs on my 4x4, which are the same as on the MJ, need replacing after 25,000 miles which I consider acceptable on this car.
I have ordered these parts from Shop 4 Parts and they will be jusy over £100 inc VAT and delivery. When you consider that to visit my nearest dealer involves a round trip of about 25 city miles (Auto Express figures for pence for mile for the 4x4 41p, hence cost of this journey £10), that's not bad value.
It appears that the minimum thickness for the MOT is 1.5mm but the consensus of opinion is that you should not let the pads go below 3mm.
This means that the pads and discs on my 4x4, which are the same as on the MJ, need replacing after 25,000 miles which I consider acceptable on this car.
I have ordered these parts from Shop 4 Parts and they will be jusy over £100 inc VAT and delivery. When you consider that to visit my nearest dealer involves a round trip of about 25 city miles (Auto Express figures for pence for mile for the 4x4 41p, hence cost of this journey £10), that's not bad value.
When I had pads and discs replaced after the pads wore down to the rivets, the dealer offered to replace both with after market parts. I chose to replace with FIAT items but when I replace the pads next time I'll be better informed and follow any recomendations from members of the Forum. Just in case the question hasn't been answered, the factory fit alloys that carry 165 tyres are 5J width; or 5" in other words. Fitting wider tyres (175) in my case is what I've been thinking of, and I'm having trouble getting a definitive answer to that question. As I understand it, there is some leeway in the diameter of the tyre. That is 10%. In other words, if you take the diameter of the wheel, 14", then add the height of the sidewalls X 2, that should give the overall diameter of the tyre. 165 (mm) X aspect ratio (65%) 107 (mm) X2. 14" in metric = 352mm + 114mm = 466mm total. If you want to fit 175 tyres, just make sure the aspect ratio (/65, or /60) then, as long as the total diameter of the larger tyre is within 10% of the original you will be legal. That still doesn't answer the question as to whether wider tyres will fit the 5" rim, but may cast some light on other sizings. Oops, just realised I've provided the answer to a question nobody asked,
Fitting 175s will be fine on a 5J rim. The important thing to maintain is the overall rolling radius which you have already considered.
The MOT tests brake function and efficiency, not brake pad wear
To check the pad wear the wheel would need to be removed, and the MOT doesn't dismantle or remove anything.
doctorchris
Established member
The MOT includes a visual inspection of braking systems. Especially with alloys, it is possible to see the amount of brake pad left and therefore valid to set a minimum thickness for MOT purposes.
Lord Azreal: When you say wear indicators on brake pads, do you mean the little embedded device that brings up a warning light on the dash to tell you the pads need changing? If so, either mine doesn't have any or they didn't work which is why I had to have new discs as well as pads. They were the originals fitted on the production line.
ivantate: Where in Italy are you moving to? I love the place, warts and all. It's my spiritual home. That's because I have some Italian in me. Yeah, ok, less of the smutty jokes, thank you.
trackdayqueen: Thanks for the info. I've been struggling for ages to get a definite answer to that question. Can I ask where you got it from? Ta.
ivantate: Where in Italy are you moving to? I love the place, warts and all. It's my spiritual home. That's because I have some Italian in me. Yeah, ok, less of the smutty jokes, thank you.
trackdayqueen: Thanks for the info. I've been struggling for ages to get a definite answer to that question. Can I ask where you got it from? Ta.
