Technical  Bio diesel

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Has anyone tried using bio diesel in a JTD130 Marea yet? If so, how was it?

Also is it really as easy as mixing new vegitable oil with white spirit (in the correct ratio) and leaving it for a couple of weeks? Surely if it was that easy everyone would be doing it.
 
i'm using it in my punto for nearly a year now and the only problem i have is that i can't use 100% biodiesel as the car was remapped while on normal diesel. In order to run on new vegatable oil you will need 2 fuel tanks 1 vegi, 1 normal, a heat exchanger to heat the vegi oil and and a fuel changeover switch as you have to start the engine on normal diesel then when its warm switch to vegi and before you turn off switchback to normal for a while to make sure all the vegi is out of the fuel lines and engine
 
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How about 50/50 mixture of high grade diesel fuel and sunflower oil?

Would that work? I saw a guy topping up his ford right in front of a Tesco.
 
Hi all. Been using 90%veg oil with 5% diesel and 5% unleaded for 2000 miles now in my Marea Weekend JTD 105. It runs absolutely perfectly, seemingly a little quicker and quieter. I even like the smell more than diesel. But then, who likes the smell of diesel?

A lot of negative propaganda is being banded around by oil industry rumourmongers about engine damage from biodiesel and SVO (straight veg oil). The truth is, if you've got a bosch injector pump (lucas's are no good), and use only fresh oil, or WVO (waste veg oil) that has been filtered down to 5 microns, the chances are your motor will thrive on it.

The car makers are pro oil industry after 110+ years of close ties, so they are bound to discourage you as much as possible. It appears to be mainly bull****. The diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil, the idea was it could be fuelled by whatever plant oil was available in the country of use.

Anyway, a fuel heater in the tank that you could switch on 5 mins before you use the car would mean 100% svo at all times and seaons would be possible. Even without, the mix I use is reported to work fine down to -5 degrees C. If you encounter starting stubborness, add another 10% diesel and all should be well. 50 50 should give no trouble even in norway. It is also worth noting that a lot of companies are profiting on those people paranoid their car will blow up by making us believe we need to spend 500 to a grand on conversion kits. I'm working on a heating jacket that takes some exhaust heat to the fuel tank.

The unleaded is used as a thinning agent, I have also used white spirit at 3% with identical results. I hear there are organic solvents available, but I'm buggered if I can find them. If anyone knows where to get some, please let me know.

I read about a guy with a JTD105 who lived in the NW highlands, and he ran it on 100% SVO for 60K miles without trouble. He chickened out when it didn't start at -10 degrees, but if he'd had a bit of diesel and unleaded in there, he'd have been OK. Diesel and Veg mix beautifully, by the way.

Of all the SVO's, Rapeseed oil is the thinnest and stays liquid down to about -10, therefore it is considered the best for the british climate.

I hope this is a bit inspirational for those of you who who haven't considered why the government isn't publicising this truly GREEN fuel, and why lots of oil industry people keep telling us it doesn't work. It oil boils down :) to money, and they could never charge the food industry the same for SVO as they do for diesel. My first trip involved driving 5 of us 314 miles at a steady 90mph for a 16 pound cost of shop-bought SVO at 55ppl. Quite a shock after my outgoing 2.0 petrol, which would have drank at least 40 quid of unleaded over the same run.

But this dizzy feeling of renegade green motoring was nothing compared to the first 100 miles on WVO that I'd filtered from my local chippy. I drove to london and had to pinch myself at the thought that for the first time in the land of the great rip off, I'd travelled for FREE! Not only that, but I only released the carbon the plants had absorbed when they grew.

So there's some food for thought.
 
As a thinning precaution, I buy the 20L veg oil (can be sunflower, rape or mixedstuff) then pour in about 750ml of unleaded (or 500ml white spirit), put the lid back on an give it a good shake. I leave it 2 days to let it do its stuff, then pour into Marea's tank. Check to see what fuel pump you have, remember lucas is no good and Bosch is the baby. I've ran 200 miles so far this week on 95% SVO and 5% unleaded, and notice no difference. I'll keep putting in the odd tenner of diesel just to aid the thinning process. At anything above 10degreesC, most diesel engines will run pure SVO ok. The only reason immersion heaters are worth getting is to keep it runny enough in the colder months. But if you run a 20% diesel mix all winter, I bet you'll be fine anyway. The veg and diesel mix together quickly as soon as you start driving :)
 
Hi,

Just browsing when I saw this post and I am glad I decided to read it. Well done there JTD :worship: , it's about time we managed to have the liberty to go where want without being systematically ripped off.

Hats off to you and anyone else not put off by the scaremongers !!.

This government has no intention, in my opinion, to follow a "Green" policy if it did, and again this is only my opinion, they should be banging on the doors of manufacturers to investigate Bio fuels to it's utmost potential.

Rant over, I could go on but, for now, I won't.
 
Hi,

Just browsing when I saw this post and I am glad I decided to read it. Well done there JTD :worship: , it's about time we managed to have the liberty to go where want without being systematically ripped off.

Hats off to you and anyone else not put off by the scaremongers !!.

This government has no intention, in my opinion, to follow a "Green" policy if it did, and again this is only my opinion, they should be banging on the doors of manufacturers to investigate Bio fuels to it's utmost potential.

Rant over, I could go on but, for now, I won't.


Biofuel is not a replacement for diesel fuel unfortunately. It's good in small amounts such as the 5% possible or single individuals using 100% but beyond that, it's not a solution due to the disproportionate amount of land required.
 
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There is enough Waste veg oil going into landfill or processing to supply over 25% of fuel needs. Filter it, use it, By turning 25% more fields to rape/sunflower, most of the diesels would be catered for. This is a huge step forward, and easily within grasp. If we eat less meat and grow fields of fast growimg hemp, we can use the excellent oil for fuel and the pulp for paper and fabrics. win win win.
 
Yep, but it still comes nowhere near what would be needed, as in a literal negligible amount. The figure of 25 % for all wasted oil is as far as I am aware, very, very, very wrong ;)

Additionally, a field of typical British set-aside and use of mineral diesel takes more CO2 out of the atmosphere than using the field to produce biofuel. You try to use it in any serious levels and you starve the world of food, simple as. Food or fuel?
 
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Check the latest HM C and E site. you can use SVO (straight vegetable oil) with no duty payable as long as you use/produce 2500l or less! I phoned HM Customs to confirm, and they did! fill up !
 
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hi there again so which is the best way to mix the 2?do i mixe the diesel and veg oil first before i put it in the tank?or do i put it in the tank 1 after another or in any perticular order as i have hered it can foam up?and is it safe to put white spirit or standered unleaded petrol in with diesel?hope you can help so i can make the change so im not getting ripped off.....Thanks

There is enough Waste veg oil going into landfill or processing to supply over 25% of fuel needs. Filter it, use it, By turning 25% more fields to rape/sunflower, most of the diesels would be catered for. This is a huge step forward, and easily within grasp. If we eat less meat and grow fields of fast growimg hemp, we can use the excellent oil for fuel and the pulp for paper and fabrics. win win win.
 
I've been running my 130JTD on Biodiesel for 6 months. I either make my own (methanol/caustic reaction) or if I'm running short another local producer delivers to the door.
The only difference noticed is that the MOT CO2, HC and NO emmissions actually dropped from Fossil Fuel last year to BD this year. Noticably less smoke on hard acceleration.

All good news here!
 
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