General Before I start...

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Dear All.
I feel I have stirred up a bit of a hornets nest with my comments which I should apologise for.
I would in no way say that Pandas are unsafe (barring the fact they are made from Coke can thin metal and have no safety features at all compared to a newer rotbox).
The problem I have is that with my 4x4 you will only get 5 yards across a roundabout (revving its knackers off) changing into second with MOST roundabout crazies leaving their blocks like Usain Bolt, it leaves me with a poor sense of survival with no air bags or side impact bars.
Also as MEP states power does have its advantages and disadvantages.
Yes you can get into trouble going too fast, but with a Panda you have to measure overtaking very carefully as you can't get out of the way in a hurry.
As also stated hills are a joke and with 4 people in, in Derbyshire it is a nightmare unless its snowing.
Engage 4x4 and warp factor 3 Mr Sulu.
Anyway back to the thread
Certainly having only 50PSI per pot won't help
Cheers Dave

Not sure whether I have misread this post, so If I have I apologise, but in the 4x4 pandas you are supposed to start in 2nd in normal road conditions because the 1st is the ultralow gear, so its a dogleg start if you see what I'm saying.

You probably already know this but thought it was worth stating just in case!
 
The problem I have is that with my 4x4 you will only get 5 yards across a roundabout (revving its knackers off) changing into second with MOST roundabout crazies leaving their blocks like Usain Bolt, it leaves me with a poor sense of survival with no air bags or side impact bars.
Also as MEP states power does have its advantages and disadvantages.
Yes you can get into trouble going too fast, but with a Panda you have to measure overtaking very carefully as you can't get out of the way in a hurry.
As also stated hills are a joke and with 4 people in, in Derbyshire it is a nightmare unless its snowing.
Cheers Dave

I do agree with you here, I don't ever feel particularly unsafe in my Panda but more power would definitely be more desirable, I have had to abandon overtake attempts before and duck back in, this is mainly due to aproaching someone going slower than you, as you pull out to go by they notice you, look at their speedo and realise whilst they've been chatting that their speed has dropped, they speed up again, leaving me stranded next to them because I'm already foot to floor... :rolleyes:
Hills with passengers also not easy but I rarely have more than 1 passenger so its doable. I believe but don't quote me here, that the 750 actually gets to 60 faster than a 4x4 due to its gearing so perhaps this is why you find it difficult to merge onto things where acceleration is required. I've always found my 750 to actually be very quick off the line, I can get up to 20-30mph quicker than a lot of modern 1.2 litre hatches.
 
Not sure whether I have misread this post, so If I have I apologise, but in the 4x4 pandas you are supposed to start in 2nd in normal road conditions because the 1st is the ultralow gear, so its a dogleg start if you see what I'm saying.

You probably already know this but thought it was worth stating just in case!

that's in the mk1 Cameron, not in the mk2. Lots of people keep saying it, so you will have picked it up from various comments on here (it's become an urban myth!). The handbook in the mk1 states you should start in 2nd, the handbook in the mk2 doesn't say that. I have always started in 1st in the Sisley, and it's absolutely fine - it is slightly short but not ridiculous, and anyway 2nd is there when you need it. (y) Starting in 2nd doesn't feel right in a mk2 by the way, whereas it does in the mk1 - completely different gearing I guess. (y)

A Panda running right will be absolutely fine on the motorway. The only dangerous cars imho are those which can't go above 55mph (hello my old 850T camper van!! :eek: ) - they get monstered by trucks and slow down on hills. Even at 130k my Sisley will do 85 (eventually) and can maintain 70 even on hills. The earlier 965 is basically a 903 (plus a bit) so will do 80 easily when running right, but it will slow down a bit on steep inclines.

Edit: I know this is a mk1 thread Cameron, but it was more for info for yours when it's up and running. Also yours was a reply to Dave who I think has a mk2?
 
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that's in the mk1 Cameron, not in the mk2. Lots of people keep saying it, so you will have picked it up from various comments on here (it's become an urban myth!). The handbook in the mk1 states you should start in 2nd, the handbook in the mk2 doesn't say that. I have always started in 1st in the Sisley, and it's absolutely fine - it is slightly short but not ridiculous, and anyway 2nd is there when you need it. (y) Starting in 2nd doesn't feel right in a mk2 by the way, whereas it does in the mk1 - completely different gearing I guess. (y)

A Panda running right will be absolutely fine on the motorway. The only dangerous cars imho are those which can't go above 55mph (hello my old 850T camper van!! :eek: ) - they get monstered by trucks and slow down on hills. Even at 130k my Sisley will do 85 (eventually) and can maintain 70 even on hills. The earlier 965 is basically a 903 (plus a bit) so will do 80 easily when running right, but it will slow down a bit on steep inclines.

Edit: I know this is a mk1 thread Cameron, but it was more for info for yours when it's up and running. Also yours was a reply to Dave who I think has a mk2?

Fair play cheers Palio, I've obviously misunderstood!
 
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Exactly the same across all 4! I find that a little odd to be fair, it still seems to hit 70 with a following wind and to be fair I though the car performed about right for its age but it also had a tendency to get hot now.

Running wise, starts on the button and ticks over very nicely, again odd

Yikes! That is quite low. Sort of incredible it is even running smoothly. :confused:
If you take the crankcase breather pipe off does it smoke a lot out of it? If the piston rings are worn that bad then it is likely pressurising the crank case more than usual.

Si
 
Second is far too high to pull off in a mk2, you'd be changing clutches on a regular basis if you did!

Back to the proper topic, 50psi is very low indeed, surprising its running as well as it does really, I think if you got the engine rebuilt or found a good replacement you would see a massive improvement. Converting to a FIRE engine will only devalue the car and its a big job to do it properly, epsecially as you have engine/gearbox mountings to alter.
 
Odd that it's so even, rings or valves wearing you'd think they'd be all over. Do you trust the gauge? & are you getting a decent seal on it when you crank it? Maybe check what it reads on a healthy engine? Have you done the oil down the bores thing to see if you get an increase?
 
you have 2 engines. make a good one out of the 2? head from one, bottom from the other?

given theres no exhaust smoke, i'd go for valve seals/seats.. not sealing or cylinder leakage over to the next.

if you were getting a lot of blow by (from piston rings) you would have quite a high positive crank case pressure. i know our marbella has positive crank case pressure, and my cinq 899 did too. but i think that was just the way the engines were.

my brothers swift (with the multi jet mk2 engine) actually has a pressure pump built into the engine to give the crank case positive pressure. sorry bit of useless info there.

in my eyes there can only be a 2 things causing the low readings and that is,
leaking between cylinders and valves just not sitting right.
given the fact your oil and coolant is good.

i cant think of anything else.

i know the 903 in the marbella we have is a right fast little engine. i cant keep up with it in talon when my brother drives it.. and he said he never floored it when he drove it.. come to think of it.. i never did when i drove it..

not sure what weight differences are between marbella and mk1 4x4 panda.
 
Hmmm yeah that is a good point! Could be leaky valves...maybe burn't out due to some bad tappet clearances in it's lifetime or something...

Another test for worn piston rings...place something white (and not important :eek:) behind the exhaust on the floor and give the engine a bit of a rev. If it is spitting lots of black speckles onto it then it's probably piston rings. My brothers mini and my Marbella do this and I know they are pretty worn!

Fingers crossed for valves...a much easier repair (y)
 
Although if it was valves the compressions wouldn't shoot up if you drop oil down the bores, that tends to temporarily seal the piston perimeter but won't do anything to seal the valves.
Head off, pistons out, new rings & big ends, clean up the valves while it's apart, bang it back together, Bob's your uncle! Like I've just done (only my uncle Bob seems to have decided that embarrassing clouds of black oily smoke will come out the exhaust when I reapply throttle from an overrun:eek:..oops. Sure those rings will bed in eventually, seems to be getting better rather than worse.)
 
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