General beat this! (with a 1.4 sport, manual gearbox)
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General beat this! (with a 1.4 sport, manual gearbox)
As has been said plenty of times before, the trip computer is not to be trusted, you need to work out with actual useage.
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The computer isn't too far out, in my car anyway - it tends to read consistently about 3% over.
I had the somewhat dubious pleasure of completing pretty much a full circuit of the M25 recently, and thanks to warm weather and 50 zones the trip average was 77 mpg (160 miles that day). Even after 3 DPF regens on the tank (car is due a service, perhaps this makes a difference, as that is a lot more than usual), the tank average was 72 mpg 'at the pump'.
But I digress, the OP's reading look pretty darn good to me
I had the somewhat dubious pleasure of completing pretty much a full circuit of the M25 recently, and thanks to warm weather and 50 zones the trip average was 77 mpg (160 miles that day). Even after 3 DPF regens on the tank (car is due a service, perhaps this makes a difference, as that is a lot more than usual), the tank average was 72 mpg 'at the pump'.
But I digress, the OP's reading look pretty darn good to me
that's why i mentioned that i brimmed the tank and posted how many kilometers i did with it. after taking these pictures i brimmed it again and i could fill 29.2 liters of fuel in it. so if you do the math it's 5.58 lt / 100 km. so i can confirm that my trip computer is pretty damn acurate.
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But I digress, the OP's reading look pretty darn good to me
it's my personal best so far (second best is 45.6 mpg), i tend to drive normally most of the time but once in a while i like to push the limits of economy, don't know why
i rented a 1.2 in italy last month for 12 days and i couldn't achieve higher mpg than my 1.4. believe me i tried everything. the thing is that i usually drive my 1.4 between 1000 and 1500 rpm in my economy runs and it pulls perfectly fine if you're gentle enough with the accelerator, but 1.2 doesn't have enough torque to do that. another reason is that gas pedal in 1.4 is so much accurate than the one in 1.2 so you can easily give more gas than the engine needs at a certain speed.
You have to brim the tank before and after. You've done the mileage, now you need to fill up so we know exactly how much fuel was used
You have to brim the tank before and after. You've done the mileage, now you need to fill up so we know exactly how much fuel was used
yes i brimmed it before and after(just after i took those pictures), as a matter of fact i always brim it. that's what i was trying to say in my last post quoting you. excuse me for my english.
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Fair enough then
well done
For your next challenge beat 538 miles out of a tank
Maxi will now think that number seems to be familiar :devil:
Trev
For your next challenge beat 538 miles out of a tank
Maxi will now think that number seems to be familiar :devil:
Trev
Actually the 538 is a combined fuel up. My best is, and I'm not telling fibs, 501 miles which was promptly followed by the car running out of fuelwell done
For your next challenge beat 538 miles out of a tank
Maxi will now think that number seems to be familiar :devil:
Trev
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I should have and will take pics of my readout. (1.3 mjd) I managed just over 83 mpg on a 58 mile run, then after mapping the car managed 93 on the same journey
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From where I'm sitting (1.4 averaging 35mpg) this all looks quite good. I don't think I have the self control to achieve these sort of consumption figures
I'd imagine that your 35mpg is taking account of the LSD which has a 3mpg penalty. But I would get those figures around the town. I have already posted some real world figures for motorway / dual carraigeway driving with 2 different averages of 43.2mpg and 40.2mpg with a latter figure on a more spirited drive that was just 'short' of getting points.
I can easily get 48mpg average on a more leisurely country drive (already posted this) but with the shape of the 500 with the high roof on a motorway travelling at 80-85mph keeping up with the flow of traffic and getting around 40mpg is better than struggling with lane shuffling at 70mph and getting 45mpg.
Also I have no proof of this but at Autobann 90mph I reckon the 1.2 and 1.4 return the same 37mpg figure. I have no idea what the TA returns at this speed but we will know when arorat gets back from his Europe 'ipad' tour.
Durukan has posted some amazing figures for town driving but that must have been with the Euro 5 engine with stop / start which is different to the 'normal' Euro 4 1.4 engine in most pre 2010 models.
I am also dubious about lugging along in a high gear with low revs in the 1.4 - it is a engine with a torque curve higher up the rev band - if you want economy you're better off in a 1.2 or being a saint in a TA.
My experience of the 1.4 is that it needs to be 'opened up' occassionally otherwise it gets sluggish - a bit like deposits get built up that have to be burned off.
This view below is probably correct for 'normal' engines but may not apply to the new breed of multi-air engines like the one in the 'diesel like' TA.
Does using too high gear damage your car?
Yes it does damage the engine by putting excess load on big end and main bearing shells and if you do it for long periods the engine will overheat due to low water pump speeds causing poor coolant flow
I believe that to improve the mpg on the 1.4 (besides easing up on right foot) you would need to use
1. A less restrictive CAT by changing the manifold and using a 100-200cell sports cat
2. Tyres with less rolling resistance
3. Having a better Air filter or CAI
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Also I have no proof of this but at Autobann 90mph I reckon the 1.2 and 1.4 return the same 37mpg figure. I have no idea what the TA returns at this speed but we will know when arorat gets back from his Europe 'ipad' tour.
Considering that I got 47mpg doing 85-90mph all the way through France, Italy and Germany, I'd suggest you're very much wrong there
Also I have no proof of this but at Autobann 90mph I reckon the 1.2 and 1.4 return the same 37mpg figure. I have no idea what the TA returns at this speed but we will know when arorat gets back from his Europe 'ipad' tour.
buddy.... on couple of trips to Gatwick and stuck in M25/M23 traffic got just over 50mpg on readout, but a solid 70mph run shows 60mpg plus - obviously this is all nonsense as trip was re-set prior to entering a clear M25 also you guys have stated the readouts from dash are not 100% correct.
I will average the 2000 mile trip and let you know the readouts, I guess I should keep track of all petrol receipts and use some fx conversion for the time of day taking into account all pips
There is no need to brim when keeping averages over the trip right !! ignore that, it was a self question that doesn’t need answering in your 1.4 do you not get around 45mpg at 85-90, considering your engine doesn't have to struggle ?
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Considering that I got 47mpg doing 85-90mph all the way through France, Italy and Germany, I'd suggest you're very much wrong there
I believe your figures are correct and they coincide with Lloyd.
Your mpg are excellent. At 85-90 I would be getting 37mpg.
There was another poster with a 1.2 (cann't find him now
) but he mentioned that at 90mph he was getting 37mpg - maybe he was doing 90-95mph. It's amazing how the mpg drops off at that speed (this is on the tolled continental motorways & autobanns). I wonder at what speed is the 1.4 doing better mpg than the 1.2 (not that I would be striving to do it.)
....There is no need to brim when keeping averages over the trip right !! ignore that, it was a self question that doesn’t need answering
I not a fuelly guy but there was some mention of using your iphone (the old one should work) to keep track. Also on fuelly I think you can miss a brim up and it still works.
In my Euro 1.4 if memory serves me right at 3,500rpm it is doing around 85mph in sixth gear and with the engine coming on cam around 4,000rpm it gets eager when the revs climb so the licence gets a bit wobbly at 3,750rpm. At this stage with the price of petrol I’ve kinda of given up getting good mpg but to average 40mpg I would have to stay around 80-85mph.
The A500 on the other hand will return decent mpg (around the same) at this pace once you’re not flooring the boost – some say it could do with a 6th gear but that would affect driveability on the back roads.
IMHO the shape of the 500 does it no favours on the motorway but it’s drag coefficient isn’t too bad at 0.325 against the MINI at 0.39 but cann’t match the A2 at 0.27. It’s unlikely the Zagoto will be any better.
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mine is Euro 4 2009 1.4 sport with no S/S
i would still brim your tanks on the continent. It'll give you better range.
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The offical urban figures for the Euro 1.4 manual are 34mpg. So if you're getting 50mpg around the town it cann't be good for the engine.
I don't know, maybe u're right but did you ever use ecodrive? it's even crazier than me. it's kinda obvious when engine is under too much load (it gets shaky and stuff), so i'm extra careful about not causing that. also, i must say i'm not driving like that all the time, since that last fill up i'm averaging 42 mpg.