Technical Battery b*ggered

[Caravadossi]

Croma Log: 2010/07/11 Sun 11:13

Battery – I think the technical phrase is … it’s b*ggered! Can’t be bothered to try `life support’ – prefer to replace as 4+yo anyway.

ePer suggests: 71730468 (70AH-450A), 71718462 (88AH-580A) or 71740269 (90AH-440A). Presumably a 1.9/16v 150hp will call for the 462 or the 269 (?). (Edited 12:00 - 462 is currently fitted).

Is there a `preferred supplier’ & model? – Varta, Bosch, Lucas …?

Any other elements to consider? Croma without power now for 12+ hours.

Away from base for the w/e visiting my sister & there’s a CF Parkinson (Lucas) & Halfords within a mile.

55 Nuova Croma 1.9/16v 150hp (51.4K mls)

 

[DoIDon'tI]

Some useful info here - all the makes you mentioned should be fine.

HTH.

 

[Caravadossi]

Thanks for response, DIDI.

Does the ...

VARTA Silver Dynamic F18 (110) 585 200 080
12v 85AH 800amp 315x175x175mm

... drop in without any problems?

 

[DoIDon'tI]

You might need a couple of wooden (or similar) packing pieces under the clamp but otherwise it should fit. If you measure the battery you've got it should give you a better idea. It's hard to be precise as the overall height of the battery isn't always the same as the 'shoulder' height, which is what the clamp bears on to. All "110" batteries should have standard dimensions so you should be ok but if in doubt, measure.

HTH.

 

[Caravadossi]

... measure the battery you've got it should give you a better idea. It's hard to be precise as the overall height of the battery isn't always the same as the 'shoulder' height, which is what the clamp bears on to. All "110" batteries should have standard dimensions so you should be ok but if in doubt, measure.

Got confused - thought you had the Varta, when it was Doofer.

Went down to the local Halfords this p.m. & their battery guide offered-up two Bosch …

Halfords HSB012
BOSCH Silver Plus S5 002, 54AH-530A
Bosch ref: 0 092 S50 020, DIN: 554 400 053
207x175x168mm

Halfords HSB063
BOSCH Silver Standard S5 001, 52AH-520A
Bosch ref: 0 092 S50 010, DIN: 552 401 052
207x175x153mm

However they both looked somewhat light-weight & small against my deceased FIAT 71718462 88AH-580A that I measure the body to be around 300x160x150(to shoulder)mm (or around 310x170x175mm o/a inc top cap).

More confusion. The Bosch eCat gives S5 005, 63AH-610A, Ref: 0 092 S50 050, DIN: 563 400 061, 242x175x190mm.

Exit for a tinnie (or two)!

http://ecat-online.bosch.de/toc/

Also come across ...

BOSCH S5 010, 85AH-800A, Bosch Ref: 0 092 S50 100, DIN: 585 200 080, 315x175x175mm

.

 

[DoIDon'tI]

Doofer fitted the S50 100 and reckoned it was the same as the Varta F18. I went for a 110 80AH Numax (which actually says 'Varta' on the back ) so I'd reckon you'd be safe with any of the above.

HTH.

 

[Doofer]

Mine fits and works fine. It just needed a couple of scraps about an inch wide to fit under clamp - wood, plastic, anything.

Varta and Bosch batteries are identical. See all model codes etc in other thread linked above.

5 year warranty is worth having. It's got to be better quality than the OEM one.

P.S. Don't bother with Halfords, their guide is totally and utterly wrong for the Croma. Try National.

Now I remember, I think I had to google for a Varta F18 and find out which cars it fits. Then I had to tell the National website that I had that car - I think it was an Audi, can't remember the model.

This is the battery though, Silver F18 is what you want...

http://www.varta-automotive.com/fileadmin/templates/downloads/en/Folder/Folder_car.pdf

 

[Caravadossi]

Croma Log: 2010/07/12 Mon 22:32

Thanks for your support men!

This one’s going to run-on until tomorrow – but likely to be from CF Parkinson (Lucas) stock.

Are there any foreseeable Croma electrickery problems when battery power restored?

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55 Nuova Croma 1.9/16v 150hp Prestigio

 

[s130]

Croma Log: 2010/07/12 Mon 22:32


Are there any foreseeable Croma electrickery problems when battery power restored?

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55 Nuova Croma 1.9/16v 150hp Prestigio

You will need to reset the electric window 'anti-crush' settings.

Dash will come up with a warning triangle and message.

One window at a time fully lower till it stops. Then fully raise till it stops.

The ECU will probably lose it's self learnt driving parameters. These will reset during normal driving.

 

[Caravadossi]

You will need to reset the electric window 'anti-crush' settings. Dash will come up with a warning triangle and message. One window at a time fully lower till it stops. Then fully raise till it stops ...

Spot-on s130, thanks.

Airborne again with a Yuasa 100 Pro 70Ah-650A 278x175x175mm at £75 fitted – but in all the exitement, forgot to check-out the codes on it & warranty period.

Surprisingly the old 88Ah-580A battery was not Marelli – but marked 71718462 (& 77710103/33) FIAT/Lancia by Exide.

 

[arti_abarth]

it's new battery time for my Croma

i'm a bit confused what to buy

my car is 06 plate 1.9 16v with OEM battery (88Ah 580A) fitted from new so 6 years (a very good result for a battery tbh)

i'm prepared to pay about 130 pounds for a new genuine fiat battery BUT i had 2 alternators go in those 6 years

i'm wontering if it would be better to go for a lower capacity-higher output one - as in theory it should charge faster and put less strain on the alternator? one i'm looking at is Bosch 77Ah 780A S5 096 with 5yr warranty

i'm doing mostly quite short jurneys 7-8miles in the morning and same in the afternoon
please help!

 

[Doofer]

As stated above, Varta and Bosch are the same with different labels. If you get the silver one with a five year warranty then if it's the correct size it should be 85Ah. It sounds like the one you've mentioned is too small. Edit: I see now, you're deliberately looking at a lower capacity, not a good idea IMO, presumably it needs 85/90 for good reason.

Check out the info above and the other thread that's linked - there is loads of info and part codes etc.

I can confirm that my Varta one fits fine and has worked perfectly ever since I changed it all that time ago.

The alternator packed in while I had it though - I don't think a good battery can compensate for a crap alternator!

Revised link for the Varta - the old link's now dead...

http://www.varta-automotive.com/index.php?id=515&artikelNr=5852000803162

Bosch equivalent...

http://rb-aa.bosch.com/aa-batterien/gb/en/pkw/media/Product_program_S5.pdf

The correct one is the S50 10 (in bold).

Both are 315 x 175 x 175 and 85Ah, five-year warranty. I think they're both made by Varta, and rebadged for Bosch. Buy whatever's cheapest.

 

[Cote DAzur]

it's new battery time for my Croma

i'm a bit confused what to buy

my car is 06 plate 1.9 16v with OEM battery (88Ah 580A) fitted from new so 6 years (a very good result for a battery tbh)

I have an apartment in France and keep an old Renault Megane in France as a run around (a 1999 UK model exported & registered in France).

Last January the battery gave up & when I took it to a garage for replacement we were surprised to find that it was the original battery as fitted in 1999, it was a 'genuine' Renault battery date stamped April 1999; It lasted almost 12 years and 110,000 miles!!!!!!

 

[Doofer]

I have an apartment in France and keep an old Renault Megane in France as a run around (a 1999 UK model exported & registered in France).

Last January the battery gave up & when I took it to a garage for replacement we were surprised to find that it was the original battery as fitted in 1999, it was a 'genuine' Renault battery date stamped April 1999; It lasted almost 12 years and 110,000 miles!!!!!!

I bet you never went there in the winter - it's when it's cold that batteries fail.

 

[arti_abarth]

I have an apartment in France and keep an old Renault Megane in France as a run around (a 1999 UK model exported & registered in France).

Last January the battery gave up & when I took it to a garage for replacement we were surprised to find that it was the original battery as fitted in 1999, it was a 'genuine' Renault battery date stamped April 1999; It lasted almost 12 years and 110,000 miles!!!!!!

unfortunately that doesn't mean a thing

battery's life depends on many factors, to name a few that will reduce it's life:
-short driving cycles
-being left not charged well in cold conditions
-being discharged to less than 20%
and many more...

if i kept my car in the garage during winter that would have extended its life dramatically, but i don't have a garage

EDIT:
Doofer beat me to it

 

[Cote DAzur]

I bet you never went there in the winter - it's when it's cold that batteries fail.

Well I do go there about 5 or 6 times a year including xmas & new year and that was when the battery finally gave up in Dec 2010.

 

[Cote DAzur]

unfortunately that doesn't mean a thing

battery's life depends on many factors, to name a few that will reduce it's life:
-short driving cycles
-being left not charged well in cold conditions
-being discharged to less than 20%
and many more...

if i kept my car in the garage during winter that would have extended its life dramatically, but i don't have a garage

EDIT:
Doofer beat me to it

Well as the car is left for weeks or months at a time, outside in all weathers, I think (in my opinion) that the battery did pretty well to last that long!

 

[Doofer]

Well as the car is left for weeks or months at a time, outside in all weathers, I think (in my opinion) that the battery did pretty well to last that long!

But, but it's French - are you really suggesting that French cars are well made?

I guess a lot of pot luck comes into it too. Some cars take very little power to start, so you'll be aware of a buggered battery much later.

 

[Cote DAzur]

But, but it's French - are you really suggesting that French cars are well made?

I guess a lot of pot luck comes into it too. Some cars take very little power to start, so you'll be aware of a buggered battery much later.

I was talking about its battery, not the manufacturer, but its 13 years old now and all the electrics still work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong; i've been associated with Fiats for over 25 years so I know what their weak points (still) are!