General Barchetta as a beast

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General Barchetta as a beast

how much can a K&N air filter cost? and Doc, what kind of MONSTER air filter do you have on your b? oh and why does everyone have those metal/steel bars over their engines (like the red one and the alluminium one with Sparco). As for the disks....DAING! pretty expensive. doc made a very good post with the list of what he would buy from the amount of money he would spend on the 1300 quid brakes.
 
Had a few intake systems on the B starting with the Green filter, then the BMC filter, then what you see now below.
 

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stop talking about green filters and K&N there all useless, wat u need is a GSR induction kit and a decent exhaust and ul see about 15bhp at least out that engine with the above mods, BMC CDA is also a good kit for this engine.


a good load of us on punto mk2 have had between 142-156bhp with just the above mods and some iriduim plugs.

i made 156bhp Dan made 155bhp a few more around 150bhp

ul notice a difference deff


my punto does a 15.4 standing quarter mile with these mods


also to tart the bay up a bit a painted rocker cover and spark cover always looks good


or go for a few other bits like i did-
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I think Dan had a re-map too.

You haven't got an idea which of the mods made the biggest difference? I've read others claiming that the CDA/GSR kit gives 10 -12bhp on it's own.

Thanks for the feedback.


Matt.

PS. I'm curious about the plugs as I ddn't thin they'd make much difference.
 
Met up with Peter (Old school) today over at clovertec in dagenham. Peter and lyold really do know their stuff. Peter is making up the induction system for my engine and should be able to do a remap with a rolling road.

Discussed some different avenues re engine tuning. ported,gas flowed head, cams, new manifold, injectors, change of ecu. Easy 200bhp. Easy £3-4000.:eek:

So i guess loads of hours, days, even months of hard earned cash before i can do this sort of tuning.

Will have to settle with gsr and remap for now. (y)
 
Told you m8 :D;) The other way would be to buy a 16v turbo Coupe and use everything from that. You would need some engine mounts made as well as the drive shafts shortened.

Coupe £1700
DS work £400
Engine mounts £400
Other stuff £800

Still looking at £3300 but you can sell off all the Coupe bits you dont need.
 
I think Dan had a re-map too.

You haven't got an idea which of the mods made the biggest difference? I've read others claiming that the CDA/GSR kit gives 10 -12bhp on it's own.

Thanks for the feedback.


Matt.

PS. I'm curious about the plugs as I ddn't thin they'd make much difference.

yes but the remap did nothign as chipped UK claimed they had done it but it had done thing as the ECU can't be remapped


yea thats true about the kits giving 12bhp on the 1.8 vfd engine been proven on many occassions
 
I think that most of us agree GSR or CDA is the way forward, as KC says Peter has not finished work on the GSR kit yet hence the reason you don't see any on the b - once they are available I will be visiting Peter for one.

I noticed the difference when I fitted the green filter kit, I don't have graphs and stats to back it up but once on the move there was a bit more oomph, especially at 3.5k rpm or above...................but oh that sound, a real throaty growl that is often mistaken for the exhaust!

Each to their own on this one, at what point do you reach an 'adequate' amount of horses under the bonnet of the b? (unless you are building a sprint or track car)....

Once you start cresting 150 bhp+ how do you get the power on the floor? The b does not have a lsd and it's 'twitchy' enough in standard form, also it already has a taste for front tyres (I have just replaced mine after a mere 5k miles!!). I still think that 150BHP-ish plus some good handling modifications makes for a faster (and better balanced) car than a standard car with bag loads of horses...?

Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick here but we are all enthusiasts who get a kit out of personalising our car's, making them sound nicer and a little bit faster, we are not professional race teams where the additional couple of BHP does make a difference on the track! As long as we are not doing anything detrimental to the car's it's great to see everyone doing there own thing - at the Nottingham meeting no 2 car's were the same!
 
Getting the power on the road is a good point and I used to think it was a huge problem for the Barchetta but I found the front strut brace helped with the dancing, plus the Michelin sport tyres. However, for me, the biggest improvement was from the Eibachs and Bilsteins (I did both together so I can't comment on which did what). I found the dancing has almost completely gone and the pulling out in a hurry wheel spin seems to have disappeared too. I imagine it's down to reduced squat on acceleration.

I think the Doc found the Koni suspension changes had more or less the same effect.

The weird thing for me is that the ride is actually a little better with the Eibachs.
 
truth is....you can do anything to a barchetta any monstruous or unimaginable transformation/improvment/mod.....as long as you have the money to do it. If I had....100.000 quid well, I'd buy another car but if I had to spend them on my B, I would turn it into a "thing" that would scare the **** out of Astons/Porsches/Lambos/Ferraries ..and many others:rolleyes:
 
There is a difference. Whether one is better than another is another thing. The Eibachs are a progressive spring. This means that they don't feel like you're driving a Kart. They become stiffer as you apply load, so in effect it compresses easily at first then gets stiffer. A conventional spring compresses at more or less the same rate.

I've certainly experienced that with my Eibachs. However, LRB and the Doc might be better places to give a comparison as I believe they've been in each others cars and one is Eibach and the other Koni.

Of course the main point I think is knowing when to stop and jut get a posher car. I think I've reached the point where I'll slow down with the mods but there's always that last thing to sort out........ :D

Wasn't it "No Self-control" by Peter Gabriel, "I don't know how to stop....."?
 
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I went in KC3s Barchetta the other night and found that the ride is softer and it had more body roll then I remember on OEM shocks and springs. He has 17" alloys so that would have made things a bit more solid then stock 15" alloys and tyers.

I guess that changing the shocks and springs as well as the ARB kit plus fitting 17" alloys has changed my Barchetta more then I remember.
 
Wonder if you could transfer Integrale running gear to a b.....whats the point in having 1000bhp through the front wheels......
 
I noticed a step change in handling with the strut brace and Eibach's, very happy with the setup although I will change the shock's for a set of B2's or Koni's (undecided yet but don't have the cash so its not a problem!!).

Matt is spot on with the Eibach's, they are progressive so around town don't give you a harsh ride however thrown into a corner they stiffen up and keep you going where you were planning!!

Not too sure about the Lowtec's but stratis has the Novitec springs and say's that they make for a harsh ride (iirc).

Also, Eibachs lower by 30mm, most other kits are 35mm, or Novitec's which supply springs that lower the b by 55mm!
 
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