Technical bad flutter on light throttle

[Argonought]

Why's that? If anything it's beneficial to the intake manifold.

It might be beneficial to the inlet manifold but it's hardly beneficial to people's lungs around the world now is it

Are you really suggesting that car engine designers are idiots who design systems that actually have no useful function and are therefore best disabled.

OR

Are you saying you couldn't give a rat's arse about worldwide emissions, energy and green house concerns?

Blanking off the EGR to find a fault (as stilosporting is trying to do) is one thing but I'm afraid I take issue with people who actually advocate such actions on a permanent basis

On the other hand if you want to discus how to make a system run better, by for example cleaning your inlet manifold, then that's another matter

 

[stilosporting]

There are 2 ways of blanking the egr valve. One is to find out which vacuum pipe (if yours is controlled by a vacuum) operates the valve, disconnect it and block the pipe with something like a golf tee or a screw (needs to be air tight!!!) and also block the connection on the egr valve to prevent any dirt going in to it.

The other way is to take apart the valve. Usually they are in 2 halves with a metal gasket in between the 2. Remove the gasket and trace the shape on to something like a coke can (doesn't matter if it's diet coke, pepsi, 7up etc.). Cut out the shape and make the holes for the bolts that hold the 2 halves of the egr valve together but do not cut the holes that are in the middle of the gasket, you don't want to allow exhaust gasses to pass through anymore. Fit the "new" gasket in place of the old one and re-assemble the egr valve. Make sure you keep the gasket you took out somewhere safe should you want to put it back to how it was.

the egr is electronic so no pipe to block. i will need to block the pipes in 2 places. where the exhause pipe meets the egr (to keep the egr nice and clean) and at the throttle body again to keep the egr clean and stop it messing with the flow of the intake air?

 

[Argonought]

It wont work once you've unplugged it (stays shut - a bit like an exhaust valve does when not on the cam)

How you getting on looking for leaks ?

 

[StiloSport]

It might be beneficial to the inlet manifold but it's hardly beneficial to people's lungs around the world now is it

Are you really suggesting that car engine designers are idiots who design systems that actually have no useful function and are therefore best disabled.

OR

Are you saying you couldn't give a rat's arse about worldwide emissions, energy and green house concerns?

Blanking off the EGR to find a fault (as stilosporting is trying to do) is one thing but I'm afraid I take issue with people who actually advocate such actions on a permanent basis

On the other hand if you want to discus how to make a system run better, by for example cleaning your inlet manifold, then that's another matter

So from what you're saying, trees should be chopped down too. Don't forget, they produce FAR more carbon dioxide that anything else on the planet. Fallen leaves rotting, produce co2 at night, forest fires etc. I'm sorry but the emissions increase is so minute, it's barely readable.

I'm not calling any engine designers idiots but the egr valve is in place more for economy than emission reasons. Hence why they only work on part throttle and not full throttle! If it was there primarily for emission control, it would be a permanently active component.

TBH, nothing I do will have any significant impact on greenhouse gasses, climate change or anything else. So if you want to come and knock on my door because you "take issue with people who actually advocate such actions on a permanent basis", be my guest.

My initial reply to your post wasn't to start an arguement, nor was it to dispute the egr valve's job but merely stating the benefits and increasing the longevity of an engine and it's components.

 

[stilosporting]

It wont work once you've unplugged it (stays shut - a bit like an exhaust valve does when not on the cam)

How you getting on looking for leaks ?

unplugged i get an error message when it tries to initiate so it has to stay plugged in.

i did a quick seal in situe and the noise was still there. will take it off again on saturday and seal it all properly. if the noise is still evident then i will go down the route of blanking it off until i find the route cause.

 

[Seraph]

So from what you're saying, trees should be chopped down too. Don't forget, they produce FAR more carbon dioxide that anything else on the planet. Fallen leaves rotting, produce co2 at night, forest fires etc. I'm sorry but the emissions increase is so minute, it's barely readable.

are you sure that's true... i mean, trees being part of the active ecosystem expelling oxygen and all that....

 

[StiloSport]

are you sure that's true... i mean, trees being part of the active ecosystem expelling oxygen and all that....

Did I say anywhere that trees don't expell oxygen? But at night when it's dark and hence there is no photosynthesis taking place, trees and plants (infact anything that's green leaved) produce carbon dioxide. Everything that rots and decomposes, like fallen leaves, animals, human bodies 6ft under etc, produces carbon dioxide so no matter what I do to my car, things still rot and decompose and carbon dioxide is still produced. Even you going through the effort of your pointless post has produced more carbon dioxide.


Whatever I do, it'll never compare to what nature is doing to itself. Earth is on a path of self destruction even without the input from humans!

So let's all stop breathing, eating, modifying our cars and do anything else in life because it's bad for the enviroment. Can the last one out please turn off the sun as that's the biggest danger to the ecosystem.

Anyway, back on topic. If you want to have an arguement about the eco system, start another thread.

 

[Seraph]

you're right. new thread needed, but wrong about trees.

thanks

 

[Argonought]

Did I say anywhere that trees don't expell oxygen? "

You did say:
"So from what you're saying, trees should be chopped down too. Don't forget, they produce FAR more carbon dioxide that anything else on the planet."
FALSE!
Trees and in particular large forested areas represent large carbon stores both within themselves and the diverse ecosystems they support. Removal of such systems is a double blow for greenhouse gases since not only are greenhouse gases released but the systems future ability to remove carbon from the biosphere is also reduced.

"Even you going through the effort of your pointless post has produced more carbon dioxide."
Seraph corrected you so you should thank him for breathing! (thanks button at bottom of post )

"Whatever I do, it'll never compare to what nature is doing to itself. Earth is on a path of self destruction even without the input from humans!"
What we have on this planet compared to the Cosmos at large is close to a miracle (based on our understanding of the Universe). The Earth is under no threat from humans. Whatever we do to the Earth it should recover in well in under 1,000,000 years which is but a hiccup in it's lifespan. Diverse forms of life are also likely to have evolved in that time.

What we should be concerned about is the extinction of our species which whilst it could come about by a natural event (large asteroid impact) it is more likely to be as a result of our own actions The self stabilizing systems of the planet will eventually correct the actions of man but are likely to cause mass extinctions in the process. Even with all our technology it is difficult to see how man (I'm referring to the most powerful people on the planet who still struggle to survive) could continue to exist (or indeed even want to) in an environment so alien to human existence and for a geological time period which is incomprehensible to them.

"Can the last one out please turn off the sun as that's the biggest danger to the ecosystem.".
Astonishing No life can ever exist in the Cosmos without stars and our Sun in particular is the single biggest factor responsible for all life that has ever existed on this planet or likely to exist in the future and is therefore central to the ecosystem!

"Anyway, back on topic. If you want to have an arguement about the eco system, start another thread."
Don't you think you'd do better sticking with cars

 

[stilosporting]

can we please forget about the eco system on this thread. if you boys want to carry on then take it to the leisure lounge. it is personal choice what people do to their cars even if you dont agree with it.

 

[stilosporting]

ok now im confused. i took the egr off and sealed around the two gaskets on the egr with exhaust putty. then put back in place and the noise is still there. would like to say is it something else but it has to be related to the egr. it is only there when it is connected. unplug it and the noise is gone.

 

[Argonought]

The actuator looks quite a bit different to mine :chin:

Have you checked further back to the exhaust. Doesn't the EGR exhaust side go through a cooler before connecting with the main exhaust pipe.

Any leaks around this area?

I'm going to pay for one hour on Examiner to try and get to the bottom of my poor fuel economy (using some of the checks NumanR suggested) as it's over a year since I've seen really good fuel consumption

 

[stilosporting]

yeah it does??? althought your pic is only the actuator part and not the whole egr but still very different. you sure yours is the 115? you got a birds eye view of your engine especially round the egr area?

 

[Argonought]

Here you go

 

[stilosporting]

wow nice clean engine.

its in exactly the same place and and the other part of it is almost identical. must just by an old style. want to buy an refurbed new style one??

 

[stilosporting]

ok update. today i got engine light on for a split secont at about 2750rpm on the motorway in fifth. this time the egr was sonnected up. the stupid noise was there as it always is if the egr is plugged in and im on light throttle.

any ideas?

when the egr kicks in what else kicks in aswel?

 

[Argonought]

Thanks for the comments about the engine Frank. Guess it's not bad for a 5 year old motor although a bit annoyed about the oil around the filler

What I really think you ought to do is pay for a session on Examiner. That engine light will have registered a code at the very least and a good operator can check loads of other stuff (as NumanR said).

There's a local Fiat specialist near me who only charges £35+VAT for a full hour on Examiner and you can even ask for specific checks to be done while you watch/wait.

Surely you can find a garage near you that does the same :chin:

 

[stilosporting]

only one garage in the area so not much of a choice. i so wish we could sort the diy interfaces out!