Technical  B104A proxy alignment 2010 2.3 x250

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Technical  B104A proxy alignment 2010 2.3 x250

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since disconnecting my battery/the battery going flat/trying to start it with a low battery i have had an airbag light fault on the dash.
i plugged it into my snap-on solus and have a proxy alignment fault. I can do a proxy alignment which says it works but still have the fault when scanned. i took the airbag ecu out with the battery disconnected and it looks OK inside. i cleaned up the pins/ earthing points and have no difference.

I did get a canbus-B communication fault but can clear this by unplugging my aftermarket stereo.

what do i do to resolve this issue? i need to get an MOT and im guessing i cant just frig the bulb ;)
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I have seen several posts regarding airbag computer failures on this and other forums. There is a required procedure to follow when disconnection the battery on later models. A slowly discharging battery seems to be the worst scenario.

Perhaps you could send the airbag computer to "Crashdata" or similar for investigation/repair? I appreciate that such an action may not fit with your time scales, or wallet.
 
'Some' people have sent them away for repair and then been informed they need a new one which is £450. which is the scenario i was trying to avoid.
im quite annoyed by it tbh, as it happened when i had to replace the engine which subsequently i had to change the headgasket on.
who knew disconnecting the battery would kill the airbag ecu.

fiat really does stand for fix it all the time.
 
'Some' people have sent them away for repair and then been informed they need a new one which is £450. which is the scenario i was trying to avoid.
im quite annoyed by it tbh, as it happened when i had to replace the engine which subsequently i had to change the headgasket on.
who knew disconnecting the battery would kill the airbag ecu.

fiat really does stand for fix it all the time.
FixItAgainTony
 
£450 is a lot for a new SRS ECU other than for the most recent vans. The one on my 2016 van went earlier this year. A new unit, with revised part number, now manufactured in the UK and apparently much less susceptible to the voltage fluctuation problems, cost me £195 from Coastal Motorhomes. Fitted by myself and proxi-aligned with MES.

But I'm suspicious about your error code. I've seen this several times with aftermarket scan tools. They abbreviate the vehicle manufacturers dedicated fault codes, effectively making them meaningless or very difficult to cross reference. Ducato SRS codes should be in the format B0100-00, so I wonder if the B104A on your scan tool should be B0104-A? Your tool could be suggesting Proxi alignment because the SRS unit is not communicating on the network as it is FUBAR.

The nearest Ducato SRS ECU DTCs to what your scan tool is reporting are B0100-49 which is a common fatal internal failure error and means that the SRS ECU has to be replaced. The only other that I can find is B0104-1A, which means that the front passenger airbag 1st stage circuit resistance is above threshold.

But since you say the fault occured after attempts to start with a flat battery, my bet is on the fatal internal failure error that is not uncommon in such scenarios. Unfortunately the likes of Crash Data can't repair that one and will want to sell you a new unit which they might be able to clone to save having to proxi-align it if you send them the old unit first.

But if you can get a new unit for around £200 and you have a scan tool that can apparently run a proxi-alignment, why mess about? I'd fit a new unit that is far less likely to go the same way in the future.

The price I paid Coastal MHs was with their introductory discount, which pops up every time I visit the site. It's probably supposed to be for first orders, but as it keeps popping up I've used it several times without issues ;)
 
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in the second image it shows the snap-on 'talking' to the SRS ecu which is why i assumed it wasn't knackered.

Canbus is something i have zero knowledge on so im flying blind on this one.

it says 'failure warning lamp status (from can)' No Error which leads me to believe the can side of things is ok. I was stumped on how it can talk to it but then not do the alignment.

when i try to proxy align i follow the process on the screen and at the end it says its completed, but then i still have the proxy fault when scanned.

https://crashdatauk.co.uk/fiat-citroen-peugeot/b0100-repair/ this is the service i think i need from crash data.

https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/fia...en-relay-air-bag-ecu-module-2006-2014-oe.html this is the replacement from coastal :cry:
 
in the second image it shows the snap-on 'talking' to the SRS ecu which is why i assumed it wasn't knackered.

Canbus is something i have zero knowledge on so im flying blind on this one.

it says 'failure warning lamp status (from can)' No Error which leads me to believe the can side of things is ok. I was stumped on how it can talk to it but then not do the alignment.

when i try to proxy align i follow the process on the screen and at the end it says its completed, but then i still have the proxy fault when scanned.

https://crashdatauk.co.uk/fiat-citroen-peugeot/b0100-repair/ this is the service i think i need from crash data.

https://coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/fia...en-relay-air-bag-ecu-module-2006-2014-oe.html this is the replacement from coastal :cry:
The trouble with these aftermarket and rather generic scan tools is that it's difficult to be sure what exactly they mean, and thus what is going on.

When the tool suggests Proxi Align, presumably the SRS ECU must either be not recognised on the network, or being recognised as a different unit to the one programmed into the vehicle, because they are the reasons that a proxi-alignment would be required.

Basically, the system on the vehicle is like a computer network, with several ECUs controlling various components or systems, that need to be able to communicate with each other to receive instructions or pass them onwards to other units (nodes). The addresses and identification of all the units are stored in a master proxi file in the BCM, with copies distributed to several other nodes. A proxi alignment scans the system for the nodes (ECUs) that are present, identifies them and writes a new proxi file in the BCM, copying it to the other nodes on the network that also hold copies. The purpose of the copies is to reduce wait times and bottlenecks in communication between different nodes that could happen if the network was busy and all communications had to be directed through a single point (the BCM).

But anyway, with Fiat specific tools such as MES and AlfaOBD it is much easier to see what is going on, as they will display the status of the network and all the configured nodes, and report any that are present but not properly configured, or faulty.

I'm guessing that your scan tool is indicating a proxi alignment because it can see that the SRS ECU is present, but is either unable to identify it, or fully communicate with it. If you can get access to someone with a copy of MES, it might well show a better indication of what is wrong, together with a full Fiat specific fault code.

It looks as though you are unlucky also in that the Euro 4 SRS ECU is a lat more expensive than the one I needed (Euro 5/6 2014 on) which Coastal have at £205.

When I looked a while back, the headline cost for the common SRS ECU repairs by Crash Data and the like was cheaper than a new unit, but they had started charging extra for some repairs and the overall cost including postage came in at almost the same or more than a new unit for me, but probably less than the new cost of a replacement for you by the looks of it.

I think in your situation what I would do is contact one of the repairers and see what they suggest. I would only add a caution regarding Crash Data. There are two companies advertising ECU repairs for the Ducato SRS ECU, both using the same name (unless it is the same company with two different websites). But on motorhome forums there are more than a few comments about poor service from Crash Data, with repaired units going faulty again soon after being refitted and the company washing their hands of them. Another similar company called Northern Autotech seem to get better reviews.

I must stress that I have not had any personal interaction with either/any of those companies however. That is just what I picked up from numerous forum posts over time.
 
If the airbag light fails to illuminate its an advisory on the MOT.

If you disconnect the airbag ecu and then proxy align, the system will believe it doesn't have an airbag, and the lamp will not illuminate.

Then fix the ecu. But remember you'll have no airbag or seat belt pretentioners...
 
i did wonder what would happen if i just disconnected it. i was thinking it would cause me problems if i connected the battery with it unplugged. At least it will buy me some time.
 
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