Technical Any Tips for 2009 1.1 Active Eco Service

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Technical Any Tips for 2009 1.1 Active Eco Service

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I'm planning to attempt a basic service on a 2009 1.1 - oil, filter, plugs, leads, coolant, air-filter.

I'd be very grateful for any tips or mistakes to avoid!

In particular draining the coolant - is there a drain cock on it? I do have the Haynes manual but it's not clear on this.

Many thanks
 
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2009 Active Eco 1.1
There isn't a drain cock. The bottom hose would have to be released but the danger is that it just snaps off . The radiator bleed/drain screws could suffer the same fate. If the cambelt/water pump have been replaced,the coolant will have been replaced too. Another option is to use a vacuum pump to remove the coolant. The other service jobs are straightforward. I'd avoid pulling the hoses off unless you really have to
 
Good shout on the pump to get all the coolant out, thank you.

I don’t know if the timing belt has been done, it’s at 60k so I think it highly likely it hasn’t been. But my understanding is that the 1.1 will be safe if it does break so that job will have to wait as it’s quite expensive.
 
Good shout on the pump to get all the coolant out, thank you.

I don’t know if the timing belt has been done, it’s at 60k so I think it highly likely it hasn’t been. But my understanding is that the 1.1 will be safe if it does break so that job will have to wait as it’s quite expensive.
You don't need a pump

Just a pipe and syphon it out is good enough
 
The plugs are at a slight angle two slope one way and the other two slope the other. It's not much so easy to be unaware as you're removing them but can cause you to crossthread them when reinstalling if you try to make them stand "straight up" - wind them in carefully by hand for a few turns just to be sure.

The sump plug is a taper plug and can be very tight because it's easy to overtighten when reinstalling it when there will be oil on the threads. it doesn't have a sealing washer, just seals due to it being tapered. Should be tightened firmly but don't absolutely "heave" on it. If you ever need to buy a replacement plug then buy from a reputable source. There are posts on the forum from people who bought a cheap one and couldn't get it to seal because either the taper was "wrong" or it was a parallel thread.

While you're "mucking about" take a really careful look at the metal water pipe that runs across the front of the engine behind the exhaust down pipe/manicat. It can look absolutely fine but have a very localized spot of serious rust and can leak around where the little fixing bracket is welded to it is a favourite place for this. Also can leak where they plug into the back of the water pump casting as it's simply a push fit "O" ring type seal and over time it looses elasticity and can leak. The pipe is quite awkward to do if you've not done one before - needs wriggled about to get it in and out and is easier if you remove the exhaust heat shield. For this reason, if it's leaking anywhere you're best to just fit a new pipe which are available from various sources, I get them from Shop4parts quite a lot cheaper than Fiat sell them. I fitted one to our Panda "Becky" in 2018 and it's still looking fine to this day. Don't be put off by some of the unknown brand names they supply as they source stuff direct from Italian manufacturers - My pipe was branded "Original Birth" which didn't instil much confidence in me, but it's actually of good quality. I've had some shock absorbers from them too which were a name I've never heard of and are going strong after some 6 years on the car.

Take a peek at the rear axle spring pans too, well known to rust through. If yours are still in good order get busy with some brush on rust preventative.

The breather pipe from the cam cover to the air filter often leaks due to the rubber hardening. If so either try a hose clip on it or, if split, just renew, they're not pricy.

You might get a bit of a clue as to timing belt condition by looking at the fan belt. Often garages will renew a fan belt at the same time as the timing belt, so if the fan belt looks "dodgy" the timing belt may well be also. At least it will encourage you to take a belt cover off and take a closer look.

There's probably other stuff which will come to me but I'll leave it at that for now. Enjoy getting "mucky" won't you.
 
Just thought of another one. I have to say I'm not quite so familiar with the 1.1 but on the 1.2 there is a MAP sensor on the N/S - ie passenger side - of the throttle body. It's held in with just one screw (torx on our Becky) they are prone to contamination from the engine breather system which just takes the edge off the performance of the engine. I take mine out every service - takes just moments, slacken the screw and simply pull it out. Then I clean the "business end" with sensor cleaner spray (carb or brake cleaner will probably do just as well?) and give the hole it fits into a good spray too to chase any "gunge" back into the manifold and clean out the hole. I find it makes quite a difference to how she runs.
 
The plugs are at a slight angle two slope one way and the other two slope the other. It's not much so easy to be unaware as you're removing them but can cause you to crossthread them when reinstalling if you try to make them stand "straight up" - wind them in carefully by hand for a few turns just to be sure.
Example here

 
Just thought of another one. I have to say I'm not quite so familiar with the 1.1 but on the 1.2 there is a MAP sensor on the N/S - ie passenger side - of the throttle body. It's held in with just one screw (torx on our Becky) they are prone to contamination from the engine breather system which just takes the edge off the performance of the engine. I take mine out every service - takes just moments, slacken the screw and simply pull it out. Then I clean the "business end" with sensor cleaner spray (carb or brake cleaner will probably do just as well?) and give the hole it fits into a good spray too to chase any "gunge" back into the manifold and clean out the hole. I find it makes quite a difference to how she runs.
Yep correct need checking

Cable operated throttle bodies have the MAP on the other side of the inlet to flyby wire throttle bodies

Still just one screw though
 
Just a pipe and syphon it out is good enough
That, absolutely the best way to do it.

On models with the expansion tank integral with the radiator, you won't get any more coolant out even if you disconnect the bottom hose. Messing with the bottom hose connection has a significant risk of breaking something and is best avoided.
 
Thanks, is there any need to fiddle with the bleed screws after refilling the coolant? Or can it be left to bubble out the expansion tank.
Yes

Open both bleed screws

Fill very slowly, till it comes out from the top of the radiator, close that bleed screw, continue to fill until bubble come out from the heater matrix pipe, continue to fill until it's fairly bubble free and close


Take it for a drive until it's up to temperature while it's still hot and pressurised open the heater matrix bleed screw slowly untill you hear a hiss of air wait until coolant comes out and close


Don't open the radiator cap while it's hot though, very dangerous


Let it cool down and top up


Assuming you have a decent, working one-way valve in your thermostat and you fill slowly it should now be golden


Or follow the official procedure I will add in a minute
 
plugs are at a slight angle....

sump plug is a taper plug....

take a really careful look at the metal water pipe...

rear axle spring pans...

breather pipe from the cam cover to the air filter...

Often garages will renew a fan belt at the same time as the timing belt...

Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to help me with this.

I am doing the plugs (ordered these, which will hopefully outlast the rest of the car) so that's well worth knowing.

And this sump plug, so will take a look to check it's tapered. Haynes manual says 20nm for it.

The water pipe I've not read about before so thanks for flagging.

The rear spring pans were an MOT fail a couple of years ago so presumably both replaced :)

There's a fair bit of oil around the breather pipe and throttle body so I think that part probably does need replacing - this one right?
 
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Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to help me with this.

I am doing the plugs (ordered these, which will hopefully outlet the rest of the car) so that's well worth knowing.

And this sump plug, so will take a look to check it's tapered. Haynes manual says 20nm for it.
I have never bought a replacement tapered plug,

several have commented that they have been supplied under size and it has disappeared into the sump pan 😢

It's a tapered plug.. So is self-sealing

Just wipe clean and re-use 😊
 
It actually failed with:
  • Offside Rear Suspension spring mounting prescribed area excessively corroded significantly reducing structural strength (5.3.6 (a) (i))
Then passed 2 days later - so presumably the near side won’t be far behind :-(
 
You don't need a pump

Just a pipe and syphon it out is good enough
Going back to this (and, please accept my apologies for all the queries), is has the integrated expansion tank so it looks to me that at least one of the bleed valves will need to be open to be able to pump or syphon out the coolant?
 
That, absolutely the best way to do it.

On models with the expansion tank integral with the radiator, you won't get any more coolant out even if you disconnect the bottom hose. Messing with the bottom hose connection has a significant risk of breaking something and is best avoided.
Syphoning or sucking the coolant out, if your radiator is the type with the expansion tank integral with the side of the radiator, is a very good way to do it and avoids needing to dismantle anything of course. For as long as I can remember I've drained radiators by disconnecting the bottom hose from the radiator on any vehicle so, when I first did it on a Panda I did it this way. HOWEVER, I noticed the quick release fitting they use and had encountered something similar, on another make of vehicle, which had given me a fair bit of grief. Consequently I cut the hose clip off and wiggled the hose off the fitting, as you would on a vehicle without a quick connect fitting, and it worked well. I entirely agree with you jrk, others on here, that it's not a good idea to try to undo the quick connect fitting!
Thanks, is there any need to fiddle with the bleed screws after refilling the coolant? Or can it be left to bubble out the expansion tank.
Again, as jrk says, the system does need to be bled. I posted very recently in another thread, how I go about it by posting a link to a thread I had going when I did Becky's timing belt and water pump a few years ago, you might find it interesting:
https://www.fiatforum.com/threads/beckys-timing-belt-all-done.459967/ The little bleed screw on the hose is well known for being easy to break off if you get rough with it, so be careful.
Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to help me with this.

I am doing the plugs (ordered these, which will hopefully outlast the rest of the car) so that's well worth knowing.
good choice of plug, as you say they may well outlast the car!
And this sump plug, so will take a look to check it's tapered. Haynes manual says 20nm for it.
As @varesecrazy says above, I've also never had to buy a sump plug. I've also not seen one with a sealing compound on it? Personally I'd avoid any sort of sealant, especially a tape type, as it might find it's way into the sump and cause problems with the oil pickup strainer. I just fit them "dry" and haven't had one which leaks yet.

When you are screwing the plug back into it's hole, it should start to tighten while still protruding from the hole and be fully tight with several threads, at least two in my experience, proud of the hole. If it goes right into the hole then stop, because it shouldn't, and you don't want to screw it right through into the sump where you won't be able to get it out again!
Probably need assessing

It's not unusual for advisories to drop off a MOT without ever being addressed
It actually failed with:
  • Offside Rear Suspension spring mounting prescribed area excessively corroded significantly reducing structural strength (5.3.6 (a) (i))
Then passed 2 days later - so presumably the near side won’t be far behind :-(
I think this needs to be examined carefully. It's most likely to have been the spring pan that's been condemned - as this is a well known problem with our wee cars. However, from the way it's worded I'm wondering if it may perhaps just be something to do with the area around the bump stop? Less common, but people have posted regarding corrosion problems. Passed MOT two days later might indicate a welded repair was made and, especially if it was a spring pan, this needs to be carefully examined. On the other hand a new axle might have been fitted, quite possible to do in two days if all went well, in which case whoopee!
 
Some success. Oil and filter no problem and reused the drain screw as suggested.

The HT leads were difficult to remove. Is there a trick to getting them out? The middle two really didn’t want to budge.
 
Some success. Oil and filter no problem and reused the drain screw as suggested.

The HT leads were difficult to remove. Is there a trick to getting them out? The middle two really didn’t want to budge.
Just wiggle away at them, but absolutely don't pull on the wire as it'll probably come away leaving the rubber end on the plug! My Panda has always been fine to do but my boy's Punto had the rubbers virtually glued to the plug insulators. Destroyed two of them trying to get them off so replaced the whole set. I'd probably have done that even if they hadn't self destroyed anyway as they were pretty rough.
 
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