Technical 3dr - drivers door disassembly.

[dtimmins1985]

Afternoon guys,

So autoglass have just been and replaced glass on passenger door, did a good job.

Saw how easy the glass clips in and unclips... and it got me thinking.

My drivers door lock does not work at all, just turns but does not unlock / lock or operate the windows when locking / unlocking.

Up until yesterday, I was using my remote fob to get the car unlocked and lock it.

It has since failed.

I have previously tried to get inside the drivers door but had to give up.

I took all the bolts out of the door panel but it would not budge.

Am I right in thinking that I need to take the glass out so I can remove the panel with the window regulator motor attached?

I really don't want to have to remove the window motor from the panel.
If I can remove (unclip) the glass, will the panel come away with everything attached once I unbolt the bolts?

I was told to check the door lock inside to see if a connector had come off that sends a signal to unlock central locking and operate windows (if key is held in unlock / lock position)

Any help appreciated guys, have to leave my stilo unlocked and remember to open and close doors twice so the auto locks don't kick in... really can't afford to replace another window again

 

[mhowse]

https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo-guides/162743-electric-window-mechanism-relacement-images.html

The above guide is what I used when replacing passenger side lock which had an issue with not locking by remote, yes the glass does need pulling out and found could remove the metal panel and do easy enough without assistance, if all locks do not work on remote car may need to relearn remote code, can be done with registered version of multiscan, and five digit electronic code required , link in guides will give good idea of how to go about taking door parts off to get to lock and check .

 

[dtimmins1985]

I feared the glass had to come out.

The autoglass chap told me that the plastic clips can be brittle and break or worst is that they can put pressure on the glass when trying to release and shatter the glass...

How was yours? Did you find it easy or difficult to unclip the glass, I'd say it looks easy but from the autoglass guy said... I'd like a second opinion.

It's strange that my car could simply forget the code when I had used the fob to lock the car 30secs before... then boom, nothing car was locked, luckily not deadlocked.

Before this, all locks operated fine with the fob, but only the fob, I damaged the button inside on my door panel so it won't unlock with the door panel button... and my lock itself just turns and does nothing.

Also, my drivers window has jammed on occasion, catching on something inside it, but if you open the driver door it unjammed... weird but lived with it.

 

[mhowse]

Yes I found the glass removed quite easy, like yourself was worried at first of breaking the glass, though found the clips to be sturdy and clip into holes in the window glass, obviously only use enough pressure on the clips to release the glass from the clips then out it comes, think I was more nervous about dropping the glass than breaking the clips, I also stripped as much off the panel as possible, the window motor just pulls out when bolts removed as it has a cog on the operating end.
When my passenger side one went fault at first it was every now and again it would not work, and went to point of not locking or unlocking by remote or key, seems it has some sort of electrical solenoid in the lock mechanism that had become bad, replacing the lock unit fixed it for myself, is your passenger lock faulty also? As well as driver side

 

[dtimmins1985]

Mhowse,

My passenger lock is fine, never had a problem.

There is definitely something strange going on inside my drivers door.
When we had hot weather the other month, I couldn't close the door, it would not latch shut... if you get what I mean, I had to park in the shade for a bit then close the door and it kept shut... hasn't happened since it's got colder.

Could I keep the same key and replace the lock inside the drivers door as I don't want to go getting new keys cut etc, I have two keys, a remote fob and and old classic type key with no buttons... none work in the locks.

My plan was to remove glass the unbolt the panel and lift it all out with the motor attached to the panel, I really don't want to strip anything off the panel if I don't have too... it's going to be cold and rainy over the next few weeks and I don't have a garage to use... the trusty old driveway and some old dust covers springs to mind...

 

[mhowse]

Understand your situation with having to work outside on driveway, same for myself so do as much on car in warmer dryier months, anyways only reason asked about your passenger side was to get idea if remote or key worked on that side. Presume as you can not lock the car it does not work or it does work and not send signal to driver side to lock. Also my still has key unlock/lock on driver and passenger so guessing yours does as well.

If you have a key operating on the passenger side and does not unlock or lock drivers side when unlocking/locking that door is more a case of the door latch on drivers side not functioning and not the key hole part on drivers door, when mine went it was the door latch part that was at fault, think you are tinkering on it being your key hole part that is not working, still worth getting a look behind the panel to check all connectors and cables in place with nothing interfering with door latch workings. It actually does not take too long to remove what you need to check behind the panel, a couple of hours if you make sure all tools are available, drill and rivet gun needed for window parts as in the guide up to yourself if window motor comes out, though as you say with remote not working and key, could be the latch is not getting a signal to operate so worth checking

 

[dtimmins1985]

Re: Electric Window Mechanism Relacement (With Images)

I need to remove the metal panel off completley on my 3dr drivers door - so i can inspect and repair / replace the lock solenoid - the key goes in a turns fine but the car wont unlock / lock at all from the door lock.

I have previously tried to get the panel off but failed.

Now i understand I have to remove the glass - no problem there.

But, i want to remove the whole panel with motor and everything attached - i can remove anything thats screwed or bolted on but dont want to start popping rivets etc.

Can I just remove everything thats bolted and screwed to the panel, then remove the door handle and door lock - if i do this, will the panel come off 100%, i dont want it to be attached and dangling about like the pictures above as it would make the work so much harder and i dont have a spare pair of hands to hold the panel whilst i work in the door so it needs to come off completley.

Any help appreciated.

 

[mhowse]

Was 2 years ago when did mine, and as you ask removed everything possible including window mechanism and trying to think back to when putting it back together thought could of got away with not taking that part off, though can not be certain, if removing all connectors and wiring securing lugs the panel can be removed without dangling in the way to give good clear access to the door internals, an electric screwdriver with socket attachment makes removing all those panel bolts quicker.

 

[dtimmins1985]

Was 2 years ago when did mine, and as you ask removed everything possible including window mechanism and trying to think back to when putting it back together thought could of got away with not taking that part off, though can not be certain, if removing all connectors and wiring securing lugs the panel can be removed without dangling in the way to give good clear access to the door internals, an electric screwdriver with socket attachment makes removing all those panel bolts quicker.

Ill have a read of elearn and see what it says.
bit of a struggle to navigate around it tho and find what you want.
I will be using a mini drill / screw driver to remove all the screws, torx and hex bolts such a breeze.

 

[Thefox]

Not an easy job if your not familiar with taking a stilo door to bits. Unbolt the seat and pop it on back seats to give yourself a bit more room.
Once you have the door card off, try pulling the release cable to open door, if it doesn't open then pop open the two large round grommets and lower the window to allow you to release the glass from the plastic clips. Lift the glass out. Remove all the 10mm bolts around the inner door panal, you might need to lever it off the door frame slightly, once you have enough movement, try unplug the wiring off the lock unit and the whole panal with window regulator should come off/out. If the lock unit has completely failed then the only way to release the lock from the door striker is to open up the lock unit with a lever(break it open).

 

[dtimmins1985]

Not an easy job if your not familiar with taking a stilo door to bits. Unbolt the seat and pop it on back seats to give yourself a bit more room.
Once you have the door card off, try pulling the release cable to open door, if it doesn't open then pop open the two large round grommets and lower the window to allow you to release the glass from the plastic clips. Lift the glass out. Remove all the 10mm bolts around the inner door panal, you might need to lever it off the door frame slightly, once you have enough movement, try unplug the wiring off the lock unit and the whole panal with window regulator should come off/out. If the lock unit has completely failed then the only way to release the lock from the door striker is to open up the lock unit with a lever(break it open).

Im quite confident in taking the door apart.
Have already taken it apart once but didnt want to the remove door glass so i stopped and put it all back together.

The lock in the door actually works without a problem, i can lock the car from inside using the button on the door handle panel, and can unlock it by pulling the door handle internally.

The problem i have is... the remote fob has lost its sync or the antenna and receiver in the roof has failed or a fuse may have blown - need to check this when weather's a bit better.

The door lock (barrel) does not unlock the door with the key, the key goes in and turns fine but the locks do nothing, up until the other week i was using my Remote to unlock / lock the car but cant do this now.

I was told by Fiat Clemo in Cleakheaton that it could be a little black piece of plastic on the back of the barrel, this is the part that presses a switch in the lock solenoid which activates the lock / unlock when turning the key in the door lock.

I have also seen a barrel set on ebay and can see the part that could fail, i need to check this, i will have to remove the whole door panel as the lock and the barrel comes out when the panel is removed and securing torx screws are remove from the side of the door.

Its probably going to be a week or two before i start this work as the weather is terrible and i dont want to get soaked and frozen to death...

Oh the joys!!

 

[Thefox]

Won't the lock barrel come out if you loosen the torx screw on the side of the door.? Put the key in the barrel, turn it slight and pull outwards.

 

[dtimmins1985]

Won't the lock barrel come out if you loosen the torx screw on the side of the door.? Put the key in the barrel, turn it slight and pull outwards.

I am lead to believe that it wont come out of the handle like that.
the eLearn cd shows it being removed from the inside of the door.

Remove torx and it looks as tho it comes out once the door lock has been removed.

correct me if im wrong

 

[JayEm]

I am lead to believe that it wont come out of the handle like that.
the eLearn cd shows it being removed from the inside of the door.

Remove torx and it looks as tho it comes out once the door lock has been removed.

correct me if im wrong

I hope I'm not too late to inform you that the torx screw does NOT come out so don't even attempt to remove it, you WILL round the head off! Don't ask me how I know...lol. To remove the lock barrel, loosen the torx screw and you should be able to wiggle the barrel out. The torx screw itself physically cannot be removed as one piece, it's part of another metal component (I've got a thread here somewhere with a picture) If you need to remove the handle, it can be slid backwards once the lock barrel is removed.

Edit: https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/325003-complete-door-component-teardown.html?p=3237261

 

[dtimmins1985]

Thanks for that tip.

Still haven't got round to dismantling the door again yet.
Luckily my work is secure and my driveway gates are locked... so for now I have to leave it unlocked, don't really go anyware other than work so I'll fix it when it's not as cold or get rid / break the car after February 17..