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So trawling the web and came across this very recent picture of what appears to be a facelift Bravo? Could Fiat be releasing an updated model soon? Looks like it has new bumpers, new lights and new grills. Main body seems to be the same but you can't tell because of the paint pattern used to hide it. Can't judge the alloys as it looks like they've just put an old set of 16's on there for the road tests. This is obviously being tested in another country so may not even make it to the UK.

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My guess is that's a model for the Brazilian market where they have a tendency to do their own thing (and model runs last much longer than in Europe).

It'll never see the light of day in the UK, FIAT UK have moved out of that segment and focus on small cars.
 
It had a facelift in 2010/2011. Another facelift is not unheard of. This recent picture was taken by someone last week. I can't persinally confirm its a recent picture no. But I have no reason to doubt it yet.

And yes yellow peril I did mention that it might not come to the UK in my original comment.

I just found the picture and thought I'd share it. I know nothing more that what you can see. other than the original post said that it was taken last week. And it definitely has some differences to the current model. Things like the grill, which seems to bring it more in line with the 500 range which fiat seem to be loving at the moment. It seems to retain the dark headlights from the 2010 facelift. The fogs don't seem to be as recessed and the bottom grill appears taller and more "smiley"

This may be nothing. It may be an old picture from some years ago. I don't know. I just thought I'd post it.
 
Lets say it is a recent picture. 'Aeroporto' on the sign in the background is Portuguese. If it was europe you'd expect Italian or Polish.

This would suggest it may be Brazil as their main language is Portuguese. Looking at the numberplate it seems to follow the same stype as a Brazilian numberplate (Clicky) with the Three letters followed by the 4 numbers.

What I would suggest is as we have seen before the Brazilians love the Bravo and they only got them in 2010 and that the Wiki page (Clicky) states the Bravo ceased production in Europe back in July that this is simply a Brazil only face lift model.
 
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Freebo said:
Lets say it is a recent picture. 'Aeroporto' on the sign in the background is Portuguese. If it was europe you'd expect Italian or Polish.

This would suggest it may be Brazil as their main language is Portuguese. Looking at the numberplate it seems to follow the same stype as a Brazilian numberplate (Clicky) with the Three letters followed by the 4 numbers.

What I would suggest is as we have seen before the Brazilians love the Bravo and they only got them in 2010 and that the Wiki page (Clicky) states the Bravo ceased production in Europe back in July that this is simply a Brazil only face lift model.
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Yup probably. Will be a shame looks like it may be quite nice
 
Freebo said:
Aye. I am a little miffed that they have stopped making them. I do kinda fancy getting another one at some point.
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Well I'm looking at a new car within the next year. I'm going to spend roughly £10,000 ish. But if they released a new facelift bravo with a nice petrol engine i'd of put it all down on one of those. And paid the extra with finance. Shame really. Part of me wishes to grab Fiat and shake then silly. All these 500 variations are terrible. They need to make a nice solid family hatchback that looks great, handles well and has some power under the hood for weekend dad without kids,

They need something as sturdy as a focus. As nippy as a golf and really good looking. The Bravo has so much potential. It could be the flagship car with the right body.
 
Matthewr1990 said:
Well I'm looking at a new car within the next year. I'm going to spend roughly £10,000 ish. But if they released a new facelift bravo with a nice petrol engine i'd of put it all down on one of those. And paid the extra with finance. Shame really. Part of me wishes to grab Fiat and shake then silly. All these 500 variations are terrible. They need to make a nice solid family hatchback that looks great, handles well and has some power under the hood for weekend dad without kids,

They need something as sturdy as a focus. As nippy as a golf and really good looking. The Bravo has so much potential. It could be the flagship car with the right body.
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They could easily make a much better bravo based on the chassis and drive-train of the giulietta. Fiat already has enough up its sleeve to make something exciting: Multi-air engines, TCT or 9-speed Automatic transmission, Uconnect system, etc. The giulietta's chassis holds the road even better than the bravo while supposedly being much more comfortable. It's a much improved version of the bravo's chassis so if there was ever going to be a new bravo, it would use the giulietta's chassis. The truth is that fiat currently has no exciting hatch-back to offer, but that's only because they decided to pull out of the c-segment. They're milking the 500 brand dry now hoping it will save them.

A new bravo would be to the Giulietta what the Leon is to the Golf. The cost of development would be minimal because all they would have to do is design a different exterior.
 
A better Bravo already exists, better engines, fantastic TCT gearbox option, better independent rear suspension set-up with better handling and comfort, much nicer seats in veloce trim, and in my opinion.. better looking.

It's called the Alfa Romeo Giulietta.

At the moment, it doesn't make too much sense in making a "better/ newer" Bravo, it would mean having to improve on the old model. This would put it in direct competition with the Alfa and really they don't want to compete with each other. Another Bravo would hurt Guilietta sales surely?

Perhaps once the Guilietta sales drop towards the end of it's life cycle we will see another "budget" Fiat hatchback based on it's platform? Perhaps by 2016-ish we may see another Fiat hatchback using the Guilietta chassis and engine package.

Either way, they really need a sportswagon option. Lifestyle estates are becoming increasingly popular.
 
RobBravo said:
A better Bravo already exists, better engines, fantastic TCT gearbox option, better independent rear suspension set-up with better handling and comfort, much nicer seats in veloce trim, and in my opinion.. better looking.

It's called the Alfa Romeo Giulietta.

At the moment, it doesn't make too much sense in making a "better/ newer" Bravo, it would mean having to improve on the old model. This would put it in direct competition with the Alfa and really they don't want to compete with each other. Another Bravo would hurt Guilietta sales surely?

Perhaps once the Guilietta sales drop towards the end of it's life cycle we will see another "budget" Fiat hatchback based on it's platform? Perhaps by 2016-ish we may see another Fiat hatchback using the Guilietta chassis and engine package.

Either way, they really need a sportswagon option. Lifestyle estates are becoming increasingly popular.
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Why would it hurt its sales? If VW can get away with having a Leon, a golf, and an A3 all using the same engines and transmissions and being based on the same platform, why can't fiat have two similar cars? It would be the same exact story: the bravo would be just as good but priced significantly lower than a giulietta. Idk about the UK, but where I live the giulietta is priced as much as a high-spec A3, while the bravo was cheaper than every single german offering out there when I bought it.

A new bravo wouldn't have alfa's dual-pinion steering, the alfa DNA switch, or a high performance version like the QV, so the giulietta would still hold some advantage. It can also use chrysler's 9-speed automatic instead of the alfa TCT. On the other hand, development costs wouldn't be very high because the chassis and drivetrain would be just the same. There's definitely room for an all-new bravo, as judging by the general opinion of the people around the forum, most are very satisfied with it. I for one would definitely be tempted to buy a new generation bravo.
 
I'm fairly sure here, that if Audi and Seat didn't exist. More VW Golfs would sell (y)

Supply and demand, you can't tell me they aren't "sharing" sales in one way or another.

Like I said, I reckon once the Guilietta sales start slumping in a few years time we will see an "all new" Fiat/ Alfa with exactly the same chassis and engine set-ups to rejuvenate sales.

In the UK, the Guilietta is very reasonably priced IMO. Especially on the used car market. In many ways superior to VAG group hatches and yet cheaper than all of them. The Alfa badge is still negatively viewed by some, unfairly..
 
RobBravo said:
I'm fairly sure here, that if Audi and Seat didn't exist. More VW Golfs would sell (y)

Supply and demand, you can't tell me they aren't "sharing" sales in one way or another.

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Well you're right but what VW group does is that it tries to occupy every single price range in the c-segment, so its better if they share sales among them as long as they don't lose the sale. In the end, its working well for them, so Fiat can do the same.

As much as I would love to see another bravo, its a shame Fiat themselves have confirmed there won't be a replacement. It doesn't seem they can afford another slow-selling vehicle, but they only have themselves to blame since they never backed it up with proper marketing.
 
The 9 speed gear box is an off the shelf product as used by Land Rover for the Evoque.

I spent a week with a 1.4t jet Giulietta in Lanzarote.

They are perfectly fine cars but only middling in comparison to the competition. The chassis is good but let down by the DNA switch and complete lack of feel to the steering. Build felt tinny and a bit plasticky.

It was comfortable and quiet with soft compliant suspension good performance.

The plan was always to launch a new Bravo on the same chassis as Fiat designed the chassis and Alfa was the first to use it. That obviously is not going to happen now.
 
JimbbobW1977 said:
The 9 speed gear box is an off the shelf product as used by Land Rover for the Evoque.

I spent a week with a 1.4t jet Giulietta in Lanzarote.

They are perfectly fine cars but only middling in comparison to the competition. The chassis is good but let down by the DNA switch and complete lack of feel to the steering. Build felt tinny and a bit plasticky.

It was comfortable and quiet with soft compliant suspension good performance.

The plan was always to launch a new Bravo on the same chassis as Fiat designed the chassis and Alfa was the first to use it. That obviously is not going to happen now.
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Exactly what I thought about the giulietta. Mechanically and design-wise, its brilliant, but the interior is frankly behind all its competitors in terms of practicality and quality of the plastics used. Just look at its cup holders that require you to put the central arm rest in a vertical position in order to be accessed. The handbrake also feels really cheap. I actually prefer the bravo's interior.

Chrysler doesn't buy the 9-speed AT from ZF, instead they build it themselves (still the same exact transmission). The ratio spread on this transmission is insane with all these gears. Imagine the engine only being on 2800rpm while you're driving at 150 km/h :D.I wish they would incorporate it into more Fiat models as I frankly hate dual clutch transmissions. I couldn't care less about torque converter automatics being slightly less efficient as long as they're more reliable. So far I know of ZERO mainstream cars with dual clutch transmissions that don't have any issues with them.
 
I'll echo what others have said - there's little point offering a new Bravo unless it's going to seriously undercut the Alfa Giulietta on price. The old Bravo was a few thousand pounds cheaper than the Alfa and Fiat still couldn't convince people to buy it in viable numbers.

I think Fiat are right to create a group of brands that each do their own thing, rather than having Fiat, Alfa & Chrysler all doing family hatchbacks which are priced about the same.

Their plan looks to be a range of cheaper Bravo replacements. See link below & click on the 'Fiat Brand' presentation PDF. The details for the EMEA area (of which the UK is part) is on page 67.

http://www.fiatspa.com/en-US/invest...ns/Pages/2014_investor_day_presentations.aspx

Further info I read a while back is that the Bravo replacements will be built in Turkey, presumably to keep costs down. I'm wondering if Fiat are planning to bring a Dacia-rivalling range to market, to offer the models a USP against the Giulietta. Of course, we might not get them all, if any.
 
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