Technical 2010 1.1 panda timing

[martin kane]

Hi all, bit desperate for some advice, I’ve just done head gasket on my daughters 2010 1.1panda, not a nice job, after putting it all back the car wouldn’t start, I didn’t mark the timing belt before removing, maybe nicked the timing out, I can’t find and marks for the crank or the cam, can anyone please help me out

 

[koalar]

Hi all, bit desperate for some advice, I’ve just done head gasket on my daughters 2010 1.1panda, not a nice job, after putting it all back the car wouldn’t start, I didn’t mark the timing belt before removing, maybe nicked the timing out, I can’t find and marks for the crank or the cam, can anyone please help me out

There is a legacy mark on the crank but it's not in the same anymore, originally it was timed with piston one at top dead centre, when the compression was increased the timing was changed with the pistons halfway

There isn't one for the camshaft anymore

It's now timed via locking tools or you make your own marks before you take it apart

 

[martin kane]

I wish I did now, need to find locking tools then?, I’ve lined old marks up on the crank but can’t find any on the cam

 

[koalar]

I wish I did now, need to find locking tools then?

Yes

Top two if the camshaft pulley hasn't been undone

All three if it has

I’ve lined old marks up on the crank but can’t find any on the cam

Waste of time as the camshaft pulley isn't keyed anymore, so can fit in any position


Here's how I do it without undoing the pulley after a head gasket change

2009 1.1 non starter | FIAT Panda (Mk3)

Next project Got this as a non starter All fuses had been removed The ring round the ignition barrel was faulty and immobiliser didnt go off The knock sensor was faulty Oh and the timing looked to have jumped a few teeth Car turned over on the key with all these faults but didnt start but an...

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[martin kane]

I wish I did now, need to find locking tools then?,
Maybe really silly question but if I get the locking tool, does it only fit one way ie if I’ve no belt on and I fit locking tool then both crank and cam would be set up ready for belt to go on

 

[koalar]

I wish I did now, need to find locking tools then?,
Maybe really silly question but if I get the locking tool, does it only fit one way ie if I’ve no belt on and I fit locking tool then both crank and cam would be set up ready for belt to go on

The lollipop crank only fits in one way, but you have to make sure the pip is located

The one camshafts tool fits two ways, the square cutout should be upwards

I assume by 2010 1.1 the value cover will have the little o rings, these and gasket will also need replacing

With both locked you can not fit the belt without undoing the pulley, just follow the instructions in the link I posted earlier, that my car correctly timed without undoing the pulley

 

[martin kane]

What pipe, this feels a step to far for me, I’m sorry for my ignorance, the tensioner is off

 

[koalar]

What pipe, this feels a step to far for me, I’m sorry for my ignorance, the tensioner is off

Stupid auto correct

Pip

 

[martin kane]

What’s the Pip

 

[koalar]

What’s the Pip

The one that goes in this hole

 

[martin kane]

I was just about to ask if that’s what it was I seen this on Amazon, is this the right one

 

[koalar]

I was just about to ask if that’s what it was I seen this on Amazon, is this the right oneView attachment 459066

Yes that's the minimum required as long as the pulley has never been undone

Seems a touch expensive, they are normally £12 ish

Seen them well under £10 occasionally but always out of stock

If the pulley been undone you need the extra bit in post 4

 

[martin kane]

The cam pulley?

 

[koalar]

The cam pulley?

No the camshaft pulley, it's not keyed

As long as the cars been running fine

And it's never been removed, your good to go with just the two tools in your link

 

[martin kane]

The car was running ok,
I changed the head gasket, I didn’t remove the cam shaft just lifted head intact

 

[koalar]

This square cutout has to at the top

This is my cylinder head, was being lazy and was going to pick up a random image from the internet, but the first one I found was the wrong way round, and before someone says it does not matter, 2:1 ratio yes it does

 

[martin kane]

Koalar thanks for all your info, it’s very muck appreciated

 

[martin kane]

Much appreciated lol

 

[martin kane]

Can I ask one last thing, I got a tad pissed off when putting pulley on and this happened

 

[martin kane]

Is this a standard thread