Technical 1242 8v SPI Preparing Engine For Turboing

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Technical 1242 8v SPI Preparing Engine For Turboing

The pulley shouldn't make a drastic difference anyway. There are different timing pulleys, but you're talking a few degrees maximum. Not anything that will cause it to fail at starting.

Good news on the strobe. I love them as you only need a single timing mark :)
 
The pulley shouldn't make a drastic difference anyway. There are different timing pulleys, but you're talking a few degrees maximum. Not anything that will cause it to fail at starting.

Good news on the strobe. I love them as you only need a single timing mark :)

I think with the cinq pulley on the 16v engine it is too far in or out. The crank sensor is not sitting to the middle of the pulley.

As far as i know the teeth is the same on both the pulley, just the thickness that changes.

Ming
 
I think with the cinq pulley on the 16v engine it is too far in or out. The crank sensor is not sitting to the middle of the pulley.

As far as i know the teeth is the same on both the pulley, just the thickness that changes.

Ming

Yeah sure, some pulleys sit the sensor in the wrong place, but that puts it DRASTICALLY out. You would never pick up a tach signal at all if that was the case.

The number of teeth is also the same, you're right, 60-2 wheel pattern.

The difference between some pulleys though is the position of the teeth. There was a modified mpi sei pulley that shifted the timing a degree or two. The tooth position on different pulleys can vary, but it's not going to have a drastic effect :)

Thickness of the teeth has little effect if any :)

Kristian
 
It's been a while since i did it so i'll redo it to make sure but im sure i put a 0 degree on thete set with a dti at the middle dwell of tdc.

So i'll set a 0 degree mark then fix my timing on ms to -10, set my timing light to advance 10 degrees and adjust the spark angle in mt until they match up correct?

thanks again
 
Yeah, best re-do it to double check, but your theory is sound. A DTI gauge on top of a pole through the plug hole and get it at the top of the stroke, trying to guess the true TDC due to the dwell period at the top. You'll never get it 100% but very very close.

It's been a LONG LONG time since i did any MS1 setup, but I think what I'd do is:

set the fixed angle to 10 degrees (not -10) which will make the spark spark only at 10 degrees regardless of what the spark table says. Check cranking is set to 10 degrees as well as I'm not sure if that over-rides the fixed angle.

The crank it. I'd remove the injector supply (don't try to start at this point), or just remove them from the inlet but leave them hooked up to watch them spray petrol everywhere.

Once you verified they are all squirting, remove the supply so they don't fire any more. Then remove the plugs from the block so you get no compression (easy cranking), but leave the plugs on the block. You can verify they all spark, and still use the timing strobe while cranking then.

Crank, and set the strobe to 10 degrees. It should match up perfectly with your new marks.

Only when you know you have accurate timing, can you check everything else. If 10 degrees works, change the cranking and fixed to other values (15, 20, 25) and verify that they are accurate as well.

If it's out slightly, adjust the trigger angle to bring it in line :)

That's a start anyways. Log it all as well. You will probably have a higher than normal crank speed as the plug will be out.



If you suspect a VR issue. Log it in first gear while being towed, see how the RPM gauge goes and what RPM you can reach. Again, i'd disconnect the coild and injectors when doing this, but leave the plugs in to assist you with breaking :)

Krisitan
 
Hi Guys,

Have been out at the car today, checked the timing with the timing light and set it (as good as i could as the mark was jumping around due to engine speed fluctuating during cranking)

The car sounded alot healthier and stopped popping from the inlet manifold, but I still couldn't get the car to start, tried all different timings and fuellings.I still get the odd pop from the throttle and sometimes the engine seems to 'stall' during cranking.

Logs attached from today.

Also I noticed on some of the logs that even though the injectors are showing pw and duty cycle the wideband reading jumps up to 19.96 and then comes back in, surely this is impossible?

Any help GREATLY appreciated, this is getting crazy now, I really don't know whats going on lol.

Will get back out there tomorrow and try any suggestions given.

Thanks again

Lenny
 

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I don't remember enough about MS1 trigger stuff I'm afraid.

What I would say is in cranking, ignore the O2 sensor. It will be all over the place. You may be passing unburnt fuel, air, and everything over sensor due to the poor starting.

You got a video of it starting?
 
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