General 1108 NA tuning?

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General 1108 NA tuning?

BlueDanGroup, in terms of engine performance looks to be about £2100, plus £1350 for the head work, from the receipts.

craigb244, there's no replacement for displacement period, with the same state of tune a larger cc engine will develop more torque/power, even when you go in to forced induction the same rules apply. You can go someway to compensate for a lack of capacity by turning up the boost level, however this turns the engine slowly into a rev happy engine with loads of lag.

There are effectively 2 types of engine tuning. One type, the easiest & cheapest to do, mainly shifts the available torque to one part of the rev-range with very little net gain over the rev entire range, typical examples of this are sports exhausts, cams & intake manifold tuning.

The other may or may not shape the torque curve but increases the total area under the torque curve. Forced & nitrous oxide induction are the the big 2 in this game but a sorted induction kit, careful working of the head & an increase in CR* in N/A applications can do this effectively if you pay attention to everything.

* an effect of increasing the CR is that it has a bigger effect at higher rpm than lower so is seen as a 'bad' for low-end torque. It's not that it's bad, it's just better at raising high rpm torque. Think of the gain as extra expansion pressure per bang, there are more bangs per second at 5000 than 2000 so you get proportionally more gain.

EDIT: the reply to craigb244 is a really bad way of putting it but I hope people get the idea
 
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^^^ That set up will see 70-80bhp (with a semi decent cam) and still return 45-50mpg when driven at a normal pace.
 
so then agree with arc
induction kit, chip, sport backbox, manifold, racing cat maybe, biggerTB, without cam you have some more power, nice sound and none serious impact to lifetime of engine

same set up i had but with a whole ecu not just chip. went really well. power feels about on par with my turbo around .3bar (low boost) but not as good at motorway speed.
 
isnt modififed cam shorting lifetime?? mean valves and head

edit: have induction kit with sportfilter, decat, modified backbox, proper service changes and its running MUCH better than before-power, top speed, reving, everythings better than with serial setup. also u can try some premium petrol, I tried v-power from shell(100octane too, but its hell expensive) and u see a difference
 
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permanent reving of any car will shorter lifetime, but mine with serial stuff hardly get to 5k, now its going over 6k as nothing and pushing more-but iam afraid to push much over 6k

there should be some revlimiter as far I now, when is it active..??
 
The limiter is between 6500 and 7200 depending on ecu & engine generation. The main reason for the red line at 6000 is because peek power was at around 5500 & you've fallen way off the end of the torque curve in stock tune. The innards them selves are good for 7500 or more without complaint for short periods, long durations in that area will reduce engine life.
 
Interestingly there is no receipt evidence of a timing belt change until 82'000 miles :eek:

Also there's at least one sporting that's done over 160'000 miles without an engine change or rebuild, so hold your prophecies of doom off for a while.
 
Also there's at least one sporting that's done over 160'000 miles without an engine change or rebuild, so hold your prophecies of doom off for a while.

..and ure sure this one was permanently reving over 5k ??? i dont believe that..

check this: http://www.autopodroznicy.com/prasa/Cienkim_z_Krakowa_do_Dakaru.pdf

I will translate for u few parts in yellow box:

".. they was driving in cinq 900 through ukraine, gb, etc... and have 341k KMs (213k miles) without engine fixing.."

well, its 900, not sporting
 
my 899 did about 53k until the big ends went. previous owners not checking the oil level no doubt.
 
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