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Diagnostics - Useful Publications

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I stopped earning my living "on the tools" in the 1980s. However that's not to say I haven't been very actively involved with maintaining and repairing cars, lawnmowers and other mechanical stuff (vacuum cleaners being a particular "speciality") - mostly belonging to family members, right up to this present day. Being now a "driveway grease monkey" and working very much on my own, I find I just love reading on our forum about what other people have been doing and where they get their info. So I just thought the following might be of interest?

I was always very much a "spanner and big hammer" mechanic when in the workshop. Electronics and Diagnostics were always a bit of a dark art. This wasn't a problem because there was always someone in the workshop who would be knowledgeable about these aspects of the cars I could turn to. Even after I moved on into more supervisory and instructional rolls there was still always someone else I could call on. Then, at 50 years of age I took a completely different career path and quickly lost easy access to these technicians. Still obsessed with all things mechanical I was finding it increasingly frustrating not to be able to deal with the engine management "stuff" and general electronic systems (ABS etc). I had access to a friends scanner but didn't really know what I was doing with it - apart from service reminder resets etc. So I started "bothering" the folks in my local garages. I was very pleasantly surprised to find a couple who were very helpful and encouraged me. The lads at AVW deserve particular thanks. They are an independent VAG workshop and they advised me to buy VAG-COM (as it was in those days - now called VCDS. Google it at Gendan if you're interested) So I splashed out about £250 and the big adventure began! By the way, I don't think you can beat VCDS for home/amateur use on VAG products - and it updates for free!

Buying "the gear" is just the start though, learning what to do with it is a whole other task! I have occasionally made a nuisance of myself when I really haven't been able to figure something out but I don't want to do it too often and outstay my welcome. So I've been teaching myself by googling stuff and buying books. Googling is very useful but I tend to forget some of the "stuff" by the time I'm actually working on the vehicle. So I like the books a lot.

My first purchase, probably about 30 years ago, and because I've always thought highly of Haynes publications, was the "Haynes Engine Management Manual". I took some pretty big steps forward with this but was still not really very clear how to apply the knowledge to fault finding vehicles. Then, a few years later my brother gave me a book voucher for my Christmas so, after a lot of research, I bought Tom Denton's "Advance Automotive Fault Diagnosis":

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It was like someone had switched a floodlight on in my brain! It might not have been such a moment of revelation if I'd not read the Haynes manual cover to cover and back again many times but it definitely took me to a whole new level. Both these publications are common to find in larger local libraries. The Haynes is quite dated knowledge now (unless it's been recently updated?) but still useful for starting you off.

As the years went past I found I really liked and understood things better when I was graphing sensor outputs etc. By now I'd bought my Multiplexed MES, which has good graphing capability, and amassed a couple of years of unspent book vouchers from various relatives so, after a great deal of research I bought Graham Stokes "Automotive Oscilloscopes Waveform Analysis". Another excellent purchase which has refined my understanding of what I'm seeing in the waveforms. (You have to remember though that graphs displayed by scan tools (like VCDS and MES) are the ECU's "take" on what it understands is going on. So units will be in, perhaps, %age, or angular displacement, etc rather than a direct voltage or resistance reading which is what the sensor is actually outputing if you back probe it directly. Oh I would love to be able to afford an oscilloscope! My latest purchase has been Mandy Concepcion's "Automotive Scan Tool PID Diagnostics - PID - EN" which I bought because what was left unspent on the vouchers was about to expire:

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This book is not a particularly new publication but has been updated at least once. I've been aware of it for several years but was unsure about how useful it might be. But, by golly, I like it! I've only had it for about a week (it had to come from the US). The other publications keep on mentioning using stuff like gas analysers and oscilloscopes - all great stuff, but I don't have them! Mandy's book concentrates on all the stuff you can do with scanners/OBD readers, so is great for us home DIY merchants. It does assume you have a good basic knowledge of what components are and their basic function (ie that an oxygen sensor will normally output an oscillating voltage between, approx, 0.1 and 0.9 volts and a map sensor varies it's output depending on manifold vacuum, and so on) so maybe not for the complete novice, but if you have a basic idea of what the components are doing I can thoroughly recommend it.

And, an added bonus, when I'd finished paying for it I just had enough money, with a couple of pounds of pocket money thrown in, to buy the latest Halo paperback:

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I think I've now read all the books about the Halo universe and I just totally love it! I've never played the games - don't have a gaming machine - and I think I probably prefer the books anyway because I'm not interested in "shoot em ups" for me it's the rich "world" the authors build around the action that fascinates me. Can't wait to get stuck in after I've finished George R R Martin's "Dying Of The Light" which is an old book from my collection which I'm rereading due to not being able to have much access to the public library just now.
 
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Must say rather surprised at the choice of book never took you as a halo sort of man I've read a few of them myself as we'll as played the games but not the more recent ones
Oh yes chris, hopelessly in love with any and all SF especially "action" stuff. Reading Heinlein's Starship Troopers (shame about the film?) back in the early '60's got me hooked and I've been "escaping" ever since.
 
I had the Haynes from the period I was trying to sort a sick running mondeo..

K and L reg UK cars were all a bit novel..
whole new array of kit.. to help the catalyst survive

The book showed me how to use an analogue multimeter to read the OBD codes..

All I could get was code 173 - lambda detecting RICH

got a FORD specialist out.. £2000 Snap.on Laptop code 173.. he was very good and charged me £20 for his time

It is something I ought to revisit.. but its sat with 15 other old Haynes in my mums loft room
 
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Absolutely Robert. I aspire to owning a Pico: https://www.picoauto.com/products/automotive-oscilloscope-kit/overview but I really can't justify the money for the limited use I'd give it. I've been looking, covetously, at the products from the far east - Hantek etc - which are much more affordable, so, who knows? What bothers me about them is I don't think there would be effective support?

I notice Gendan do a Foxwell branded one: https://www.gendan.co.uk/product_FXOS100.html which looks very like the Hantek? I've been meaning to have a "chat" with them about it but I don't want to bother them until I've got the money and ready to be "serious". On the other hand, if it really is a rebranded Hantek as I suspect, I might be able to buy the Hantek and then pick Grant's brains for advice? Bit cheeky though, don't know if I've got the cheek!

As you point out above, I do like the Pico library of wave forms and instructional material - "Automotive Guided Tests" in particular.

regards
Jock
 
The Foxwell 'scopes are significantly better than the Hantek, at least on paper. The Hanteks have low sample rates, limited input voltage range and small buffer memory. I've not used either so can't comment on quality or software.
It appears that the Hantek softare is based on the appearance, at least, of the Foxwell.
Note as well that more channels are not automatically better, especially as the sample rate is divided between the channels in use.
Personally I would not touch the Hantek 1008C. The sample rate is 2.4Ms/s so single shot bandwidth for two channels is only 1/4 of that - 600kHz. This is worse than the oldist, most basic Picoscope that is supported by the automotive software which is 1.5 MHz per channel. If using all channels on the Hantek you only get 150kHz bandwidth. The sample rate and low buffer memory (4k) make nonsense of the 1ns per division fastest timebase speed which would require hundreds of megahertz bandwidth to be of any use.

Robert G8RPI.
 
Thanks Robert. I just don't know enough to make informed choices about this stuff yet but thanks to posts like yours here I'm slowly pulling myself out of the primeval mire. Perhaps by the time I'm confined to a bath chair I'll be getting somewhere near a basic understanding.

On the other hand I'm making much better progress on the scan tool front. With my recent interest in perhaps replacing the SEAT with a Jazz 1.5 Sport I've been looking into wide band (Air/Fuel ratio) exhaust gas sensors. So far I've only really encountered O2 sensors and I'm making sterling progress "playing around" looking at how their output and fuel trims are affected by things like inlet air leaks, exhaust manifold leaks, dribbley fuel injectors and other "stuff". Wide band sensors are requiring me to make a "Brain Reset"

There's so much to get my head round I think I'll concentrate on the scan tools until I'm really confident about what I'm doing with them.
 
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