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Argonought

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Would any Abarth or 1.8 owners like to confirm the following:

To check if you have ESP all you need to do is turn on the ignition and look for the lit ESP sign ("!" in a circle) which will go out after a few seconds.

If it doesn't light at all then you haven't got ESP - and I'm not talking about predicting tonight’s lottery results! ;)
 
In my hand book it says ESP Is only engaged when the (!) and the traction control light comes on at the same time! put this is for a punto hgt! should be the same in a stilo. Try starting ur car on a hill upwards with the handbrake only slightley on then the esp could therfore kick in if it belive the car is rolling backwards?
 
I don't know if it's true or not, but i always thought that if you have ASR you also have ESP (at least that's how it is in Denmark).

Coshstar said:
In my hand book it says ESP Is only engaged when the (!) and the traction control light comes on at the same time! put this is for a punto hgt! should be the same in a stilo.
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I don't think it's the same in the Stilo. I have tried going around a roundabout quickly (and out of it quickly) and got the (!) (triangle with a !) light blinking a few times, the ASR light did not blink as i was not loosing traction.
I'll check my handbook later.....
 
santa said:
I don't know if it's true or not, but i always thought that if you have ASR you also have ESP (at least that's how it is in Denmark)
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I'm pretty certain that's not the case in general although I believe it's not possible to have ESP WITHOUT ASR (could easily be wrong).

The point I was trying to make is that it should be very easy to check for both ASR and ESP by simply looking at your dash when you first turn on the ignition. For example my ASR lights for a couple of seconds (while it's being checked) but there's no sign of the ESP light (because I'm pretty certain I haven't got it).

You clearly do have ESP so does the check light come on when you first turn the key along with ASR light?

@activematt.

You did well to get ESP on your 1.6 - did you order it as on option or just get very lucky?
 
Argonought said:
I'm pretty certain that's not the case in general although I believe it's not possible to have ESP WITHOUT ASR (could easily be wrong).

The point I was trying to make is that it should be very easy to check for both ASR and ESP by simply looking at your dash when you first turn on the ignition. For example my ASR lights for a couple of seconds (while it's being checked) but there's no sign of the ESP light (because I'm pretty certain I haven't got it).

You clearly do have ESP so does the check light come on when you first turn the key along with ASR light?
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I agree with you, on the "no ESP without ASR". I did'nt know you could have ASR without ESP but clearly in some markets (such as in the uk) you can have ASR without ESP (i guess it's up to the importer - in your case Fiat U.K. deciding to have ASR without ESP on some models).

The ASR light in the button lights up for a few seconds, and the ESP light (the triangle with "!") also lights up during the start check. So I bet you're right; no ESP light during the start check means no ESP.
 
santa said:
.... no ESP light during the start check means no ESP.
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Thanks for that Santa,(y)

So now we know. No need to go haring around water, mud & ice strewn roundabouts or hairpins to see if you've actually got ESP or not!:eek: - All you need do is turn on the ignition for a few seconds while you watch the dash.

santa said:
(I guess it's up to the importer - in your case Fiat U.K. deciding to have ASR without ESP on some models)
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You've got me thinking on this one:idea:. Fiat UK were responsible for stopping the indicators flashing with central locking on earlier imports:mad:. Fortunately, this can fairly easily be corrected by a visit to the local dealer. Being able to know from some distance if you've locked, unlocked or deadlocked your car by counting the flashes is something I just couldn't be without now:).

Is it just feasible that ESP can be enabled on ASR enabled cars just as easily?
 
Argonought said:
Is it just feasible that ESP can be enabled on ASR enabled cars just as easily?
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I have no idea what the difference is between ASR with out ESP and ASR with ESP.
Perhaps some fiat tech could answer this??

On a side note, i can tell you that the ESP will engage much sooner with standard sized wheels (195/65-15) than with my alloys (215/45-17), but i guess that's expected due to a narrow tyre. This winter is going to be fun :D
 
I was not aware that it was possible to have ASR without ESP as mine came in a pack.
What i do know, and i'm sure of this, at least in Spain, ONLY Abarths have their own separate ESP light (the one over the rev counter) and for ALL the rest of the models (inc 1.8 and Multijet) the ASR and ESP share the light that is to theleft of the rev counter. So if you have been told you've got ESP and ASR you probably have....
If you want to try out the ESP it's very easy; it's no good flinging the car round a roundabout cause ESP won't do anything, you have to find a nice twisty road with long tightish corners and take it round pretty fast with an empty tank and nobody in the back... i get ESP light constantly (which is the same one as ASR in my case)

Hope this helps!!!
 
Stilo Multijet 140bhp said:
..for ALL the rest of the models (inc 1.8 and Multijet) the ASR and ESP share the light that is to theleft of the rev counter.
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This gets Curiouser and Curiouser...:confused:

Can you describe what the combined ASR/ESP light looks like when activated?

My ASR light is directly above the rev. counter needle (image of wheel spitting gravel)

@Santa seems to confirm that he has TWO lights. The ASR light at 0° and ESP light (image of "!" within triangle within circle) at 270°.

Something very odd here??
 
Argonought said:
This gets Curiouser and Curiouser...:confused:

Can you describe what the combined ASR/ESP light looks like when activated?

My ASR light is directly above the rev. counter needle (image of wheel spitting gravel)

@Santa seems to confirm that he has TWO lights. The ASR light at 0° and ESP light (image of "!" within triangle within circle) at 270°.

Something very odd here??
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That's correct, I have two lights, just as you describe (and i have seen them both work, though not at the same time).
 
Stilo Multijet 140bhp said:
I was not aware that it was possible to have ASR without ESP as mine came in a pack.
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That was also my initial thought. In Denmark we always get it as a pack. Either you have the whole package (ASR+ESP+MSR+BA) or none of it.

Stilo Multijet 140bhp said:
If you want to try out the ESP it's very easy; it's no good flinging the car round a roundabout cause ESP won't do anything, you have to find a nice twisty road with long tightish corners and take it round pretty fast with an empty tank and nobody in the back... i get ESP light constantly (which is the same one as ASR in my case)
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I got my ESP light to blink, by going fast through a roundabout. But i do agree that it's possibly better to find a nice twisty road (so you don't have to go through the roundabout turn around and going through again - repeat as needed).:D
 
Argonought said:
This gets Curiouser and Curiouser...:confused:

Can you describe what the combined ASR/ESP light looks like when activated?

My ASR light is directly above the rev. counter needle (image of wheel spitting gravel)

@Santa seems to confirm that he has TWO lights. The ASR light at 0° and ESP light (image of "!" within triangle within circle) at 270°.

Something very odd here??
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The light that i have got for both ASR and ESP straight to the left of the rev counter and its a "!" sighn inside a tiangle which ahas got a circle round it. Directly above the rev counter i have got the spinning wheel sign but it clearly states in my manual that this light is only operative for Abarth models.

PS; when i say above and to the left of the rev counter i obviously mean "in" the rev counter but above and to the left from the center of the counter!!!

PPS; my ESP is also as light as a fether though it's alot better with a full tank or a few people in the back!
 
Stilo Multijet 140bhp said:
Directly above the rev counter i have got the spinning wheel sign.....
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Looks like we all agree on position and look of the lights.:)

Sorry to harp on.....but can you confirm if the ASR light lights when ignition is first switched on (you'll only get a couple of seconds to notice it before it goes out)?

Thanks.
 
Argonought said:
Would any Abarth or 1.8 owners like to confirm the following:

To check if you have ESP all you need to do is turn on the ignition and look for the lit ESP sign ("!" in a circle) which will go out after a few seconds.

If it doesn't light at all then you haven't got ESP - and I'm not talking about predicting tonight’s lottery results! ;)
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Go take a drive on a dirt road and take a 90 degree turn at speed... you will soon know if you have ESP or not (y)
I haven't noticed the (!) light coming on when I start the car, so I can't comment on that, but my Abarth deffinately has ESP. ;)
 
Argonought said:
Looks like we all agree on position and look of the lights.:)

Sorry to harp on.....but can you confirm if the ASR light lights when ignition is first switched on (you'll only get a couple of seconds to notice it before it goes out)?

Thanks.
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Yeah, the light definately comes on when i turn on the car but only the ASR/ESP one, obviously not the spinning tyre light beacuse we don't have it on non.abarth models(y)
 
Stilo Multijet 140bhp said:
Yeah, the light definately comes on when i turn on the car but only the ASR/ESP one, obviously not the spinning tyre light beacuse we don't have it on non.abarth models(y)
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When i earlier stated that my ASR light comes on when i start the car, i meant the light on the button (down by the gear stick).
The spinning tyre light does however blink when the ASR is in function, just as the ESP light is blinking when the ESP is in function.

But i will check again later (my car is at the dealer to get my gearbox problem solved), as i could be mistaken.......;)
 
santa said:
When i earlier stated that my ASR light comes on when i start the car, i meant the light on the button (down by the gear stick).
The spinning tyre light does however blink when the ASR is in function, just as the ESP light is blinking when the ESP is in function.
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OK Guys, I think we reach some different conclusions now:

If you turn on the ignition and see ONLY (for a second or so):

The ASR light - You've only got ASR
The ESP light - You've got BOTH ESP & ASR

Of course if you've got the ASR switch on the central console then it should be fairly obvious that you have it anyway.

@Stilo Multijet
You seem to have the same setup as Santa but it seems very odd to me that your ASR light never comes on - maybe you're very careful with your right foot!;) You say you can see the unlit wheel icon at the top of your rev. counter so why would FIAT stop using it:confused: (it works for both me and Santa)?

Have you actually tried spinning one of your front wheels on a wet road surface, when stationary, with ASR OFF and then ON. This should prove the case once and for all as I think in this case the ESP system would remain inactive.
 
I thought ASR was a standard fit item on a stilo? I didn't think you could buy one without it? I only ask as I have a 1.2 and it has ASR, and I can't see the previous owner paying extra for ASR when they didn't even bother to buy aircon.
 
Argonought said:
OK Guys, I think we reach some different conclusions now:

If you turn on the ignition and see ONLY (for a second or so):

The ASR light - You've only got ASR
The ESP light - You've got BOTH ESP & ASR

Of course if you've got the ASR switch on the central console then it should be fairly obvious that you have it anyway.

@Stilo Multijet
You seem to have the same setup as Santa but it seems very odd to me that your ASR light never comes on - maybe you're very careful with your right foot!;) You say you can see the unlit wheel icon at the top of your rev. counter so why would FIAT stop using it:confused: (it works for both me and Santa)?

Have you actually tried spinning one of your front wheels on a wet road surface, when stationary, with ASR OFF and then ON. This should prove the case once and for all as I think in this case the ESP system would remain inactive.
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The ASR light (spinning wheel icon) does not work on any non Abarth models here in Spain, so it is there but only functional for abarth.
In my case the ESP light (! in a triangle) is shared between both ESP and ASR; if i make a fast start from a standstill (it does not need to be wet!!!!) i get the ESP light with my wheelspin meaning that my ASR is working. If it turn ASR off i can wheelspin all i like but even if the ASR is off the ESP isn't, so if i go fast through a corner is still get the ESP light meaning that the ESP is working.

I hope this post is unedrsandabe, it made sense while i was writting it!!
 
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