General I don't rate this Forum! [new thread title from thread split]

[dal31]

Hi mate I got issues with my 2.4 aswell....... All i can say is best of luck cause this site aint no help wat so ever!!! I paid into the voluntry fund to look willing n all they wanna do is chit chat.......... Best find another site that is more HELPFULL, Good luck

 

[T14086]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

Hi mate I got issues with my 2.4 aswell....... All i can say is best of luck cause this site aint no help wat so ever!!! I paid into the voluntry fund to look willing n all they wanna do is chit chat.......... Best find another site that is more HELPFULL, Good luck

donations are voluntary,forums are about helping each another so my question to you is how have you contributed (not financially) to the forum?

 

[Stu DemonD]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

He put £1 into the forum, and has 7 posts to his name.

Super smashing lovely great

 

[Stu DemonD]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

Actually, I have just looked at those 7 posts - some of them aren't even in the right section, and total disrespect for the forum.

He reckons there is a better Fiat Forum? Ok then, post the links up then

 

[ivantate]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

The site is great, surely the whole point is for these 2 2.4 stilo owners to help each other out?
Most people only follow their section of the forum so if you have a rare car you have to search plenty and also wait for people to log on if they are not regulars.
Look at the sections for other cars where the engine or gearbox is also used.

There isnt enough info in the post to actually offer advice on what was wrong or even whether it was the garages fault, did the car have any compression?, did you see the broken parts?, why did the garage fix it for free?

Etc.....

Although it is commendable to have put a follow up response with few replies.

 

[sixpotman]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

What everone should remember is the forum is very often
populated with people who ask a question get an answer
the disappear never to be seen again, no thankyou, no
feedback if the problem is fixed.

It's not frequented by (as a percentage of membership and no offence
ment to anyone who is Fiat trained) by a large preportion of
trained expert technicians but by interested members of the public
who share their experiances freely. If there are a shortage of certain
model owners to share experiences then it's the luck of the draw.

Those that do remain on the forum may socialise at times but in the
main do offer good info to anyone they can help by their own
experiences gained either with fiat or other manufacturers.

On the whole the forums a decent one and for anyone capable
of doing their own repairs an excelent alternative and guide
to putting the vehicle into a garage fiat or otherwise.

John

 

[Yellow Peril]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

What everone should remember is the forum is very often
populated with people who ask a question get an answer
the disappear never to be seen again, no thankyou, no
feedback if the problem is fixed.

It's not frequented by (as a percentage of membership and no offence
ment to anyone who is Fiat trained) by a large preportion of
trained expert technicians but by interested members of the public
who share their experiances freely. If there are a shortage of certain
model owners to share experiences then it's the luck of the draw.

Those that do remain on the forum may socialise at times but in the
main do offer good info to anyone they can help by their own
experiences gained either with fiat or other manufacturers.

On the whole the forums a decent one and for anyone capable
of doing their own repairs an excelent alternative and guide
to putting the vehicle into a garage fiat or otherwise.

John

Here, here! This forum is great! Don't let the odd bad apple put you off everyone...

 

[T14086]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

Most people only follow their section of the forum so if you have a rare car you have to search plenty and also wait for people to log on if they are not regulars.
Look at the sections for other cars where the engine or gearbox is also used.

There isnt enough info in the post to actually offer advice on what was wrong or even whether it was the garages fault, did the car have any compression?, did you see the broken parts?, why did the garage fix it for free?

very well said ivantate

What everone should remember is the forum is very often
populated with people who ask a question get an answer
the disappear never to be seen again, no thankyou, no
feedback if the problem is fixed.

It's not frequented by (as a percentage of membership and no offence
ment to anyone who is Fiat trained) by a large preportion of
trained expert technicians but by interested members of the public
who share their experiances freely. If there are a shortage of certain
model owners to share experiences then it's the luck of the draw.

Those that do remain on the forum may socialise at times but in the
main do offer good info to anyone they can help by their own
experiences gained either with fiat or other manufacturers.

On the whole the forums a decent one and for anyone capable
of doing their own repairs an excelent alternative and guide
to putting the vehicle into a garage fiat or otherwise.

John

...again, well said John Can I just add that I know of 4 or Fiats top 10 techs regulary visit here aswell as alot of excellent technicians. What I find encouraging is the knowledge and the willing to find out and learn of many of its members who do not work 'in the trade'.

This is definately a forum that all of us (no matter our level or background) can learn from, burning your bridges from this site is a very silly thing to do:nono:

Donations...are optional, end of the day this forum has saved tens of thousends possibly hundreds! of pounds for its members. Forums are not cheap to run and donations of ANY amount are appreciated...or else we simply wouldn't be here anymore!

Mr DAL31 may Imake a suggestion that you make an apology to everyone here, start again and ask your question again (with more details) and then you will no doubt recieve a response.

 

[hayes8024]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

id just like to add that i posted on here bout the same preoblem and i got nothing but great advice off the ppl in this forum and i too donated and a cpl of quid for the advice and knowledge of this forum is money well spent i say

 

[brocherboy]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

And yes their is a "boys club"on this site that applaud each other by way off "pushing the thanks button"when the "boys"get together on one thread too take the "p" out of another members spelling
I would thank anyone for sound advice but not for helping me ridicule some other member
And yes members have left due to this bad practice
And whilst some members will give out codes for free some dont ,so yes whilst to donate is volantary some hold you to ransome

 

[T14086]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

I have no doubt there is a 'circle' so to speak after all many members have been here for many years, its part and parcel of all society but i'm interested to know what you mean by 'held to ransom for codes'? If you mean radio codes then why not after all most garages charge £20 so why should a new member get a radio code then go away never to be seen again. Forums are about sharing information not just taking.....thats called politics!

 

[brocherboy]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

I have no doubt there is a 'circle' so to speak after all many members have been here for many years, its part and parcel of all society but i'm interested to know what you mean by 'held to ransom for codes'? If you mean radio codes then why not after all most garages charge £20 so why should a new member get a radio code then go away never to be seen again. Forums are about sharing information not just taking.....thats called politics!

Firstly i in no way disagree with paying a couple of quid for a code for the same reason as you say ,and before Stu looks me up he will find i have donated WITHOUT asking for one, and i am sorry stu but to post someones donation in a thread is dispicable ,this is exacally the mentality of some members i was refering too
But maybe you should consider making it one of your sticky's with a set amount as when you read some posts all you get is someone directing you to the donation link ?? with no explaination as to how much a code would cost from a main dealer for ANY manufacturer not just fiat and why the site rely's on donations this would imo be better explained in a sticky
Secondly
Do you really want new members picked on for simply mis-spelling words or poor grammer ? or for explaining something the wrong way?And yes their are a couple of very good oldies on here that actually SPEAK to the op ASKING them to seperate sentances or explain things better ,and not one is a mod "the boys club" because they have been on the site longer makes them more important?? so they should be able to "push the thanks" button for backing them up in make fun of a new member ,it just makes your thanks button look a total joke,and all it looks like it is who can have the most thanks to look important.I must also give credit to a lot of members on this site who give information for no return and without asking the other to remember to "push the thanks button"and is why some other sites have removed the option because of mis-use
Finally some members join without knolledge of fixing ANY car so sharing information yes, but if they have none to give ?,I must stress again that their is a minority of members that ridicule people but surely this should be stamped out as unlike other sites their are "mods" on all the time ,and is this really how you would want your site to be seen

 

[T14086]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

Do you really want new members picked on for simply mis-spelling words or poor grammer ? ......they should be able to "push the thanks" button for backing them up in make fun of a new member ,it just makes your thanks button look a total joke...........Finally some members join without knolledge of fixing ANY car so sharing information yes, but if they have none to give ?,I must stress again that their is a minority of members that ridicule people but surely this should be stamped out as unlike other sites their are "mods" on all the time ,and is this really how you would want your site to be seen

4 points from the above,

1) we do try and stamp out abuse because of spelling (we cant be everywhere hence the report button) but text-talk is frowned upon for obvious reasons. The other side of the coin is members say we are to firm and 'police' the forums too much....either way we are in a no win situation and if we do stamp it out everytime to please you I will be having the same conversation with another member for the exact opposite reason. We do try and keep a happy medium.
2) the 'thanks, button but does not work in many areas/sections of the forum to discourage the abuse of the system you suggest.
3) peoples donations are clearly on display on donations page with a message if donater required it.
https://www.fiatforum.com/donations.php
4) new members with no technical knowledge to share is not the issue or even a problem, manners and a courtesious attutide to fellow members is far more important

(footnote, we even supply a 'site ideas' section for members to discuss ways of improving the forum or you can always PM a mod of course)

 

[brocherboy]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

4 points from the above,

1) we do try and stamp out abuse because of spelling (we cant be everywhere hence the report button) but text-talk is frowned upon for obvious reasons. The other side of the coin is members say we are to firm and 'police' the forums too much....either way we are in a no win situation and if we do stamp it out everytime to please you I will be having the same conversation with another member for the exact opposite reason. We do try and keep a happy medium.
2) the 'thanks, button but does not work in many areas/sections of the forum to discourage the abuse of the system you suggest.
3) peoples donations are clearly on display on donations page with a message if donater required it.
https://www.fiatforum.com/donations.php
4) new members with no technical knowledge to share is not the issue or even a problem, manners and a courtesious attutide to fellow members is far more important

(footnote, we even supply a 'site ideas' section for members to discuss ways of improving the forum or you can always PM a mod of course)

I have pm'd a mod in the past and i am sorry to say that nothing was done !!!,, i stuck up for a member being the joke and it was was then TURNED ONTO ME!!
Yes peoples donations are CLEARLY on display so why do you allow a "long term " member who should have more sence than to point out a members donation with no other point than to make it seem poor, any new member reading that would be under the impression that donate 1 quid and you will be frowned upon or dragged up in some discussion ,AND not once do you say Stu was wrong to do so
The fact i did this by pm's the last time is why i am making it public in the forum and i stand by my opinions on your thank button

 

[T14086]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

not once do you say Stu was wrong to do so

obviously your looking for an argument and I will point out now that you will not get it from me!

Moving on, you seemed to have picked out and largely ignore most of my last reply to you after all I was trying to explain how things on the site work and even asked for input.

Finally the OP complained of not getting a response to his question after (and I quote) 'this site aint no help wat so ever!!! I paid into the voluntry fund'...now to me this gives the impression to the outsider that you have to donate to get a question answered. We all of course know this is not true and Stu quite rightly set the record straight, although no doubt I will be accused of standing together in the 'old boys club'. Many people donate only a pound, so what! They did not however boast they have donated and got no help.

I cannot comment on your previous PM 'comments' to a mod because I am obviously unaware of this.

 

[brocherboy]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

obviously your looking for an argument and I will point out now that you will not get it from me!

Moving on, you seemed to have picked out and largely ignore most of my last reply to you after all I was trying to explain how things on the site work and even asked for input.

Finally the OP complained of not getting a response to his question after (and I quote) 'this site aint no help wat so ever!!! I paid into the voluntry fund'...now to me this gives the impression to the outsider that you have to donate to get a question answered. We all of course know this is not true and Stu quite rightly set the record straight, although no doubt I will be accused of standing together in the 'old boys club'. Many people donate only a pound, so what! They did not however boast they have donated and got no help.

I cannot comment on your previous PM 'comments' to a mod because I am obviously unaware of this.

Firstly i am not looking for an argument ,and as i did not re-quote you i their for took what you had to say onboard as regards to site ideas ect
I stand by my thoughts on "Thanks" being mis-used in the stilo section because of "thanks for helping me take the p outa folk observations and not being used for" usefull help or information "now if you with 23,000 posts think this is fair and just then who am i to disagree
And regardless of what ever anyone DONATES and for what ever reason is on public veiw ,but should still not give anyone the rite to pull into question the complaint the poster had could have been adressed without underhand tactics
I did not just say people being picked on for bad grammer and mis-spelling ,as you seemed to quote me on, i also said not enough info
So in summary i did take on board your veiws and did not re-quote as i did not feel I had to adress every point as you did,nt

 

[Andymacselespeed]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

I know it is little help, but Alfa can fix Fiat Selespeeds too. My 156 had a pump replaced a few years back for £450 all in. On the issue of the head and the plug and the valves it sounds like the cam belt snapped. Can't think of any other reasoin the valves would need replacing. Good job you didn't have to pay for that work!

On the topic of forums and helpfulness. It is true that many people drop in, grab info and drop out. Some stay, its often down to interest. I became a member of a renault forum for a bit to find out how to change a headlight bulb on amegane which was giving my dad grief, found the answer after half a dozen posts and dropped out. Not my car, not interested in developing a relationship with the forum.

People only stay if they are made to feel welcome. When I first started to post here, I found that some people where quite abrupt and on occasion rude. After a while, you just learn who it isn't worth the hassle of getting into a conversation with.

I think on all forums there is alos the instant message problem where people write from brain to page, press send and only then re-read the message, which CAN read as being not as the writer intended.

If we want to grow the forum and get more people involved, we need to be kind. Everyone started somewhere.

A good example is when new people arrive, and ask a question in genuine ignorance of a possible answer, or even where to find it, and all they get as a reply is a message reading

"USE THE SEARCH TOOL THATS WHAT ITS THERE FOR" or something similar. A better reply, might be "Try looking here (Link to search tool) If you can't find what you are looking for, please post again."

Small changes in language change the meaning and the friendliness of the conversation.

Also, on the point of publicly denouncing donations, many people donate in time, not in money trying to help out. Insisting that people pay for information is fine, just be up front about it being a paid for service. Say by posting on each request message a reply of

"I will give you the unlock code for your radio for a FEE of £5" then new people in to the forum have an option, and they won't then be a position where they can be publicly criticised/humiliated for donating a sum which other members feel isn't enough.
Just a suggestion.

 

[T14086]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

Firstly i am not looking for an argument ,and as i did not re-quote you i their for took what you had to say onboard as regards to site ideas ect
I stand by my thoughts on "Thanks" being mis-used in the stilo section because of "thanks for helping me take the p outa folk observations and not being used for" usefull help or information "now if you with 23,000 posts think this is fair and just then who am i to disagree
And regardless of what ever anyone DONATES and for what ever reason is on public veiw ,but should still not give anyone the rite to pull into question the complaint the poster had could have been adressed without underhand tactics
I did not just say people being picked on for bad grammer and mis-spelling ,as you seemed to quote me on, i also said not enough info
So in summary i did take on board your veiws and did not re-quote as i did not feel I had to adress every point as you did,nt

sorry but I'm not actually sure what point your trying to get across

On the topic of forums and helpfulness. It is true that many people drop in, grab info and drop out. Some stay, its often down to interest. I became a member of a renault forum for a bit to find out how to change a headlight bulb on amegane which was giving my dad grief, found the answer after half a dozen posts and dropped out. Not my car, not interested in developing a relationship with the forum.

Absolutely and thats not in question here, but if you said on this renault forum (on someone elses thread!) something along the lines of...'this forum is crap nobody wants to help you'....do you honestly expect a response after this statement? Lets be honest you'll be told to go & f*ck yourself and never come back...at least we are not that bad here

A good example is when new people arrive, and ask a question in genuine ignorance of a possible answer, or even where to find it, and all they get as a reply is a message reading

"USE THE SEARCH TOOL THATS WHAT ITS THERE FOR" or something similar. A better reply, might be "Try looking here (Link to search tool) If you can't find what you are looking for, please post again.".

The thing is Andy is that no one reads the rules (that they electronically signed) where it 'asks' before making a post to look/search to see if this question has been recently asked. You 'found' the answer to your renault headlight problem, unfortunally too many dont bother to do that and repetative posts clog up the forum making the search engine less effective for finding the exact answer you want.

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Insisting that people pay for information is fine, just be up front about it being a paid for service. Say by posting on each request message a reply of

"I will give you the unlock code for your radio for a FEE of £5" then new people in to the forum have an option, and they won't then be a position where they can be publicly criticised/humiliated for donating a sum which other members feel isn't enough.
Just a suggestion.

suggestion noted, but no mod insists for a donation (unless in joking fashion?) and no mod has ever suggested paying for information, it has been discused but the forum needs to remain free to all despite running costs which means events and not just server costs.

I wouldn't pay for a radio code by the way as the software is all out there for free

 

[brocherboy]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

Firstly i am not looking for an argument ,and as i did not re-quote you i their for took what you had to say onboard as regards to site ideas ect
I stand by my thoughts on "Thanks" being mis-used in the stilo section because of "thanks for helping me take the p outa folk observations and not being used for" usefull help or information "now if you with 23,000 posts think this is fair and just then who am i to disagree
And regardless of what ever anyone DONATES and for what ever reason is on public veiw ,but should still not give anyone the rite to pull into question the complaint the poster had could have been adressed without underhand tactics
I did not just say people being picked on for bad grammer and mis-spelling ,as you seemed to quote me on, i also said not enough info
So in summary i did take on board your veiws and did not re-quote as i did not feel I had to adress every point as you did,nt

Sorry did'nt think it was that hard to read or understand considering that Andy seemed to have picked the points up

 

[Argonought]

Re: selespeed pump replaced

I have pm'd a mod in the past and i am sorry to say that nothing was done !!!,, i stuck up for a member being the joke and it was was then TURNED ONTO ME!!

OK; yes you pm'd me about comments on bad grammer/spelling and you received a polite reply but whilst I personally commend the virtues of protecting the weak from the strong I regret you offer your patronage rather rashly.

Lets make a few points clear to you:

There's a post in the 'sticky' section (top threads) directed to new members which I'd like to think is fairly friendly.

Now lets consider the type of actions that really don't go down too well on this Forum:

New members that can't bothered to read any introductory threads, can't be bothered to attempt to make their post readable (in terms of basic grammar & spelling), have a tendency to repost if they don't receive a quick reply and at the end can't be bothered to reply if any suggestions have even worked or not and compound this by starting new threads about basically the same problem.

Whilst none of the above will get them ejected from the Forum, unless their posts become abusive to other members, it's perfectly reasonable to expect other more established/respected members to pass comment of this attitude.

This really is the nature of all Forums. Members that strive to offer good advice gain respect whilst others that act as above tend to lose it.