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1.2 Panda Dualogic Failure

first of all hello to everyone,

I got a little question to you. I would appreciate it if you can help me solve my problem out. because I really start to hate this car.

here is the thing. I owe a 2005 1.2 panda duologic and I have the massage on the screen 'gearbox fail'. this following problem occured. The engine doesn't work under load. It can start when the gear is 'N'. but when I take it to the '1' gear. If I don't give full gas, the engine stops immediately. even if I give gas, it stops too. the same problem is there by slowing down too. The gear comes from '3' to '2' to '1' and when the car almost stops, the engine stops again.

I am really begging you. I would be very happy if you give me any suggestion to solve it. It seems electronical failure. thank you.
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first of all hello to everyone,

I got a little question to you. I would appreciate it if you can help me solve my problem out. because I really start to hate this car.

here is the thing. I owe a 2005 1.2 panda duologic and I have the massage on the screen 'gearbox fail'. this following problem occured. The engine doesn't work under load. It can start when the gear is 'N'. but when I take it to the '1' gear. If I don't give full gas, the engine stops immediately. even if I give gas, it stops too. the same problem is there by slowing down too. The gear comes from '3' to '2' to '1' and when the car almost stops, the engine stops again.

I am really begging you. I would be very happy if you give me any suggestion to solve it. It seems electronical failure. thank you.
the clutch ok? sounds liek the engine stalls
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Re: 500 Dualogic failure

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the clutch ok? sounds liek the engine stalls


that's what MEP said in the other thread,
doesn't sound like a gearbox issue

UNLESS the clutch is dragging..??

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that's what MEP said in the other thread,
doesn't sound like a gearbox issue

UNLESS the clutch is dragging..??

Charlie
It must be gearbox issue. Because I got the 'gearbox failure' warning in the gauge display. The problem is engine can rev up and accelarate if the car manages to move. But at many times it stops easily when I take the foot from the brake pedal(at the same time the clutch is trying to do its job). So the same thing happens when the car slows down. When the car almost stops the clutch doesn't sepereate and the engine stops again at the 3-4 km/h speed.
Do you have any idea how can I solve this issue?
Thank you
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Re: 500 Dualogic failure

so it IS the clutch dragging..,

get the fault codes ( generated by the message on dashboard screen) read,
that will give you a good idea of what needs doing,

the FULL version of MultiECUScan can do all of this,

use SEARCH in "advanced" top look up similar duologic threads.

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Re: 500 Dualogic failure

you know its funny as the resident dualogic failure company company i think i am getting closer to the final solution. There is a leak in my dualogic gear oil that is slow and persistent as in takes a few months to start being a problem. My garage told me the old solution would be to change the whole system at 2000 GBP, but he said he didnt think that was necessary other than simply monitoring the oil level.


i looked at it personally and yes there was a bit of oil outside of the tank and the level was below minimum. (this is the dualogic oil not the normal gearbox oil).


So basically i need to go and get my dualogic oil level checked every 2-3 months = ) beautiful! haha.

It would help to check it and top it up myself but as i am sure the dualogic experts on this forum will know, this is impossible as you need to go under the car and remove the undertray to check the dualogic oil reservoir!
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you know its funny as the resident dualogic failure company company i think i am getting closer to the final solution. There is a leak in my dualogic gear oil that is slow and persistent as in takes a few months to start being a problem. My garage told me the old solution would be to change the whole system at 2000 GBP, but he said he didnt think that was necessary other than simply monitoring the oil level.


i looked at it personally and yes there was a bit of oil outside of the tank and the level was below minimum. (this is the dualogic oil not the normal gearbox oil).


So basically i need to go and get my dualogic oil level checked every 2-3 months = ) beautiful! haha.

It would help to check it and top it up myself but as i am sure the dualogic experts on this forum will know, this is impossible as you need to go under the car and remove the undertray to check the dualogic oil reservoir!
the early panda's have no undertray.. BUT the alloy heatshield is still awkward

IF the oil / fluid was cheaper..you could probably just fill to brim, and get a full 6 months out of it..!!

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Re: 1.2 Panda Dualogic Failure

The seals can go on the actuator and leak fluid in to the gearbox also the diaphram which is the balloon looking object on the outside of the gearbox can fail causing the pressure in the gearbox to be too low and the pump run longer. Parts are available separately you just have to research them. The selespeed alfa forum is a good source of info.
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