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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

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Interesting. I'd not considered that for the Panda but tbh I'm not that concerned about a future warmed over panda 'sport'. My concern is whether Fiat will continue it's existing 4x4 and Cross versions of the Panda if they are moving away from the 0.9TA as the non-turbo 1.0 Firefly hasn't got the grunt.

The 1.3 FireFly is up on power, but down on the more important torque 134 or 139 Nm compared with the TA's 145Nm. It's also generated mid-range at 3500 rpm, rather than the TA's 1900 rpm.

A possibility, but I've got a new Cross on order, and am pleased it's still a TA.
I'm just spitballing, about engines, i also can remember reading somewhere that the Panda will no longer get engines with more then 3 cylinders.
In that case it will only be the 70 hp NON turbo GSE engine or there will also be a tuned-down 3T GSE with between 90 and 120 hp.
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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

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Trim package like most other fiat models then these days
It does seem to be their way at the minute.

The 500 Sport is offered with 1.2 or 85hp TA
The Tipo Sport is 1.4 with either 95 or 120hp, just like the Lounge.
And the 500X Sport either 120 or 150hp, same as the other 500x models.

Seems Fiats idea of "Sport" is bigger wheels with less rubber.
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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

The Panda could do with some 16” wheels like the 500.
Just make wheel centre covers with Panda decals instead ook 500 decals and you can use all the 16” FIAT 500 wheels on the Panda as well.
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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

do you see a panda cross (4x4) EV coming? or that will be on Jeep's territory?
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Engine Picture.
Looking at the photo, the cam cover looks as if it could be hiding a SOHC rather than DOHC head. I hope I'm wrong, but it could well be a sign of FCA's typical parsimonious attitude.

In the past decade it looks as if the group is singularly unable to plan a comprehensive strategy, unlike VAG.
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do you see a panda cross (4x4) EV coming? or that will be on Jeep's territory?
Half.scale Jeep
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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

I wonder if we will even have a 4x4 Panda in the future.
Peugeot don't have any small 4x4 platforms.
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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

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Looking at the photo, the cam cover looks as if it could be hiding a SOHC rather than DOHC head. I hope I'm wrong, but it could well be a sign of FCA's typical parsimonious attitude.

In the past decade it looks as if the group is singularly unable to plan a comprehensive strategy, unlike VAG.

noted on Wikipedia
"It was introduced in 2016 in simple naturally aspirated, 2-valve per cylinder with VVT"

So it very likely is a single overhead cam.

Seems a very big backward step compared to technology like the Twin and multiair engines.
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Quote Originally Posted by AndyRKett View Post
noted on Wikipedia
"It was introduced in 2016 in simple naturally aspirated, 2-valve per cylinder with VVT"

So it very likely is a single overhead cam.

Seems a very big backward step compared to technology like the Twin and multiair engines.
Very true would have thought they have used the multi air Tec for the Inlet valve's
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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

Hi All

Ive noticed that all the small and very low emission engines have to be driven in a special way per engine type, most normal drivers don't give two hoots as to how they drive and it is in their mind only the car that can produce economical/low emission numbers and hence they often blame the car, how much fun have the twin airs been to use.

Now when we come to the hybrids that wont have a manual box these engine/drivetrains will control power deliver cut in/out and the regen braking will be controlled too, so my hope is that the hybrid systems can hopefully assist everyone(technically minded or not) to reduce emissions closer to the manufacturers figures.

but then again who remembers the top gear Prius/M5 BMW test

we shall see.

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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

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Ive noticed that all the small and very low emission engines have to be driven in a special way per engine type, most normal drivers don't give two hoots as to how they drive and it is in their mind only the car that can produce economical/low emission numbers and hence they often blame the car,
99% of the population just want to get in the car and drive it how they where taught to drive, they don't expect every new car that comes along will need new training on how to get the best out of it.

These are a mass produced car for the general public, they quote figures of economy claiming low emissions (high MPG) do the general public not have a right to expect their car will achieve near to the claimed figures without having to relearn how to drive??

The Prius V M5 analogy is just silly as the M5 was designed to be raced and was barely breaking a sweat, where as the prius was being ragged around at its limit.
Which gets better fuel economy a diesel locomotive pulling 1000 tons of freight train or a fiat panda, doing the same.....
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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

99% of the population just want to get in the car and drive it how they where taught to drive, they don't expect every new car that comes along will need new training on how to get the best out of it.

think how diverse the description is "general public" who have been taught to drive by differing instructors over upto 50 plus years period when conditions have been wildly different.

I agree and my hope is that the hybrid vehicles should be giving not only better overall results but much more standardised for all users.

our choice of vehicle and powerplant should suit our journey type and pocket.

most owners can reasonably expect either a plus or minus % of the modern testing system based on their own journeys compared to the standardised test journey type and local climatic conditions. we have to understand the drag caused by water on the roads and electrical drain of all the onboard systems in or out of use can and will make a difference.

Any partnership takes working on both sides to get it to work.

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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

According to Autocar the Fiat 1.0 Hybrid produces 69 bhp, and 69 lb-ft of torque. That's 94Nm. Same power but less torque than the trusty 1.2 (102Nm).

94Nm was what my old 1.0 Mk1 Aygo put out. It was no fireball And that weighed in at 825Kg - a good deal less than the Panda which carries 25% more at 1055 Kg.

It's hardly going to be quick!

Fiat claims it will be more fuel efficient than the 1.2, but I've not seen any stats of by how much.

Suzuki's 1.2 Mild Hybrid in the Ignis (870kg) gains about 7% over their standard 1.2 in both test consumption, and C02 emissions. So I guess that expectations of fuel savings should be of that order for the Panda. To be weighed against, the extra cost buying the mild-hybrid, and that it's something else to wear out - Li-ion batteries don't last for ever.

I guess every little saving helps.
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Re: Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming

Prices are also a bit higher. I'm glad I bought my lounge in June!
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.c...d-panda-hybrid
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Wow. People will be queueing up to buy these.

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