Technical Engine tray

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Well... Today I removed the tray protecting the underneath of the car and every single bolt literally broke in my hand. Sheared without using any real force lol.... Bugger.

What do I do!? I'll be ok without the tray for a while won't I?
 
Hi..is this the first time the under tray has been off?I have to do this each time i do a service .A bit of a pain really.was thinking to do a top slide oil change next time..
 
Hi..is this the first time the under tray has been off?I have to do this each time i do a service .A bit of a pain really.was thinking to do a top slide oil change next time..
Hi there , nah. comes off once a year when I change the oil. When I first got the car one had already sheared off.

What's a top slide oil change?
 
Well... Today I removed the tray protecting the underneath of the car and every single bolt literally broke in my hand. Sheared without using any real force lol.... Bugger.

What do I do!? I'll be ok without the tray for a while won't I?

The tray should be refitted before the next MOT. It's part of the underbonnet noise reduction equipment that is supposed to be a MOT failure if missing under the new test inroduced last year. Not sure how well it is enforced though.

Apart from that it also keeps water and muck out of the engine bay. Last hing you want is a stone kicked up and getting into the cambelt. Low probability but high cost if it happens.


Robert G8RPI.
 
My Zafira passed with no under tray...Any no timing belt on the TwinAir that why its the best option.In that sense service parts a bit steep thou.Top side oil change is were you pump to suck out the oil.It makes sense since the oil filter is top sided to.
 
My Zafira passed with no under tray...Any no timing belt on the TwinAir that why its the best option.In that sense service parts a bit steep thou.Top side oil change is were you pump to suck out the oil.It makes sense since the oil filter is top sided to.

.... but this doesn't clear the clag gathered at the bottom of the sump around the (hopefully) magnetic plug. Saves dealers money, but a compromised way to do an oil change. Maybe every other one might be OK with this method, maybe....
 
.... but this doesn't clear the clag gathered at the bottom of the sump around the (hopefully) magnetic plug. Saves dealers money, but a compromised way to do an oil change. Maybe every other one might be OK with this method, maybe....

Many Mercs don't even have sumpnlug these days so you have to change the oil this way
 
I would never recommend sucking the old oil out via the filler (rather than draining via sump plug- whatever Mercedes do) after finally removing the sump ofmy late Father-in-laws car, which had been "serviced" by sucking out, and seeing what crap remained.

Also sorry to be pedantic, but I would recommend Coppaslip on the tray bolts rather than any old heavy grease
 
Many Mercs don't even have sumpnlug these days so you have to change the oil this way

This not the same thing as sucking out via a tube in the dipstick holder. The Merc system uses the dipstick tube but it is specially designed and positioned to extract the oil. The approved equipment provides a high level of vacuum with a high flow capability not a little hand pump with intermittent flow.

Robert G8RPI.
 
Removed sump guard last weekend on 2012 4x4. Broke 4 of the 8 bolts. Had to make a set of extractor drill bushes and even then broke several carbide drills. But eventually tapped again as M6 and plenty of copper grease applied. Going to replace all the bolts with stainless in next week.
The guard itself was very corroded and therefore wire brushed and two coats of POR15. The sump itself was corroded, which surprised me! But have done nearly 60k miles.
Realised afterwards that did not need to remove the guard since there is a cut out!, but MOT tester had commented on the corrosion and was planning on the repaint.
There is provisions for further rivnuts to the subframe and holes in the guard, so if one shears other option would be to fit additional bolt in alternative location,
 
Last hing you want is a stone kicked up and getting into the cambelt. Low probability but high cost if it happens.
The TA has a fully enclosed chain driven camshaft, so there's no real risk of a passing stone causing any significant damage.

There is a small risk on the 1.2 models, which have a cambelt, but unless things have changed recently, 1.2 models have no underbonnet tray - it's only fitted to the TA.

I'd expect models sold as having off road capability would have a more robust form of underbonnet protection that the usual flimsy plastic tray.

Sadly many vehicles originally fitted with underbonnet trays seem to 'lose' them during routine servicing. Worth checking before you drive away after it's been in the workshop.

When I finally sold my R5 after just shy of 220,000 miles, I was proud that it still had its OEM underbonnet tray and original bolts, all in good order. Most disappeared after the first service.

.... but this doesn't clear the clag gathered at the bottom of the sump around the (hopefully) magnetic plug.

The tapered plug used in the 1.2 isn't magnetic.

With modern detergent oils, there shouldn't be any clag around the sump plug if the oil is changed at a sensible interval; I've certainly never noticed any with mine.

Suction may actually get more of the old oil out than conventional draining. My real concern would be the cleanliness of whatever they stick in the dipstick hole; this shouldn't be an issue if you're doing it yourself.

The same goes for the coolant, especially on those models with an expansion tank that's integral with the radiator. Removing the bottom hose won't get you any more fluid out (guess how I know this?), and offers limitless possibilities to break something fragile and get into difficulties.
 
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"I'd expect models sold as having off road capability would have a more robust form of underbonnet protection that the usual flimsy plastic tray".Metal tray fitted to 4x4 but if I seriously off road would upgrade and add plate over prop shaft central bearing
 
Had the Panda 4x4 MOT’d the other day fine except advisory for Sump Guard as its falling apart 2014 model year!!
 
Many Mercs don't even have sumpnlug these days so you have to change the oil this way

I think they call this "progress". Change from a spanner that we all have, to a pump which is 3 times the price subject to failure and takes twice as long to use.... DIY job was a filthy messy task to boot. NEVER AGAIN!

I suppose if the right equipment is available it prevents spillage which is a plus. Personally I think gravity which is free is also best!

I bought a suction pump from Aldi which failed on first use it still lies where it was thrown waiting for me to repair it. I would not recommend anyone buy one of these. I feel it did not like warm oil!
 
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