General Smart fueling advice

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General Smart fueling advice

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Hi i went to fuel my panda today and my smart fuel fuel wouldnt release for the unleaded fuel.
I have never had a problem before.i took the fuel hose from the holder and held it against the flap but nothing happened quite embrassing really is their any advice please.
 
Hi.
In the filler assembly you'll see three black plastic parts, the two at quarter to and at quarter past need to be pushed outward by the fuel pump nozzle this then unlatches the lower black plastic piece that can then move downward allowing the flap to open.
I found I could do this with my fingers and if you can I'd would say that the filler nozzle could be worn enough to not allow it to enter. Perhaps try another fuel pump. If you cant get it to open using your fingers or the plastic filler adaptor in the tools then I'd say there is an issue with the latching mechanism.
Hope this is of some help.
 
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Thanks for replie trevor..I think it was my angle of attack with the fuel pump!!.Like you said i can get the plastic adaptor to work time after time. I looked at the mech and every thing is in place and tight so may be me!!!
 
I hope this was you having a moment! One has to ask what wise-**** thought this arrangement was an improvement on a locking cap? I don't like it and certainly don't trust it. I am concerned that it seems also to cause problems with the ECU if not opened and closed properly too. (Another post on here recently!)

Small Fiats are best when good straightforward engineering is used. I wish I had never bought my new one. It is so depressing to see all these stupid annoying issues causing people grief. The only consolation is that all the other cars are just as messed up. I hope when the Government has their big Repeal Bill / Act they will get rid of all the ridiculous EU / Euro cobblers from the motoring world, and please can we TAx BMW and Audi out of existence on the UK! It would certainly make the roads safer.
 
I hope this was you having a moment! One has to ask what wise-**** thought this arrangement was an improvement on a locking cap? I don't like it and certainly don't trust it. I am concerned that it seems also to cause problems with the ECU if not opened and closed properly too. (Another post on here recently!)

Small Fiats are best when good straightforward engineering is used. I wish I had never bought my new one. It is so depressing to see all these stupid annoying issues causing people grief. The only consolation is that all the other cars are just as messed up. I hope when the Government has their big Repeal Bill / Act they will get rid of all the ridiculous EU / Euro cobblers from the motoring world, and please can we TAx BMW and Audi out of existence on the UK! It would certainly make the roads safer.

I totally agree.
I see no point in this smart fuel thing at all. so long as it works and doesn't break then I'll be happy.
Oh and yes I agree on the rest of the post :D:D
 
I've got arthritis in my fingers, and I find it painful to prise the fuel lid open. There's hardly enough room to squeeze one finger into the little slot, and the wretched catch is quite stiff, so opening it puts unnecessary pressure on the joints of one finger. Give me an old-fashioned fuel cap anyday!
 
Gareth, I've always opened fuel flap on all 3 Pandas with my thumb as it fits behind the filler flap "nose". Appreciate need palm of the hand to open it fully. Not great fuel tank size, forever putting fuel in mine. 600 miles in a previous car was quite nice on reflection.....
 
Gareth, I've always opened fuel flap on all 3 Pandas with my thumb as it fits behind the filler flap "nose". Appreciate need palm of the hand to open it fully. Not great fuel tank size, forever putting fuel in mine. 600 miles in a previous car was quite nice on reflection.....

Mr Bogdan, my Bravo thankfully does 700+ miles on a tank - as it should be. He has gone from an also ran to the old Panda to Admiral 1st class of the fleet in just a few weeks!
 
I hope this was you having a moment! One has to ask what wise-**** thought this arrangement was an improvement on a locking cap? I don't like it and certainly don't trust it. I am concerned that it seems also to cause problems with the ECU if not opened and closed properly too. (Another post on here recently!)

Small Fiats are best when good straightforward engineering is used. I wish I had never bought my new one. It is so depressing to see all these stupid annoying issues causing people grief. The only consolation is that all the other cars are just as messed up. I hope when the Government has their big Repeal Bill / Act they will get rid of all the ridiculous EU / Euro cobblers from the motoring world, and please can we TAx BMW and Audi out of existence on the UK! It would certainly make the roads safer.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. It's tech for the sake of tech, and the UK is just as infected with it as anywhere else.
 
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. It's tech for the sake of tech, and the UK is just as infected with it as anywhere else.

Well it might be if we had any volume car makers left. I think actually this is tied up with Euro6. Whatever my feelings about it have not changed. Just something else to go wrong.
 
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I hope this was you having a moment! One has to ask what wise-**** thought this arrangement was an improvement on a locking cap? I don't like it and certainly don't trust it. I am concerned that it seems also to cause problems with the ECU if not opened and closed properly too. (Another post on here recently!)

Small Fiats are best when good straightforward engineering is used. I wish I had never bought my new one. It is so depressing to see all these stupid annoying issues causing people grief. The only consolation is that all the other cars are just as messed up. I hope when the Government has their big Repeal Bill / Act they will get rid of all the ridiculous EU / Euro cobblers from the motoring world, and please can we TAx BMW and Audi out of existence on the UK! It would certainly make the roads safer.
ECU?
Unless the Panda one if vastly different to the fall on another fiat I've seen there's nothing at all electronic about the flamp it's purely mechanical in nature
 
ECU?
Unless the Panda one if vastly different to the fall on another fiat I've seen there's nothing at all electronic about the flamp it's purely mechanical in nature

I believe you are correct its seems to be entirely mechanical and probably just a spring loaded thing to entirely seal the tank filler so all ventilation of the tank is through the evaporation cannister. Its quick and easy to use but does not prevent ingress of dirt and when filling though this may be minimal. I would however prefer to lock the flap through paranoia over fuel theft..... I don't know why as most fuel thieves just bash a hole in the tank and I have never experienced it, and don't know anyone who has. Ideally the flap should lock closed with the central locking, then I would accept it freely. Its probably cheaper than a standard cap!

It does encourage the unwary to refuel without removing the ignition key and I have two friends that have suffered thefts doing this. Not advised! ALWAYS remove the key even if only getting out for a few seconds; insurers don't pay out!
 
I believe you are correct its seems to be entirely mechanical and probably just a spring loaded thing to entirely seal the tank filler so all ventilation of the tank is through the evaporation cannister. Its quick and easy to use but does not prevent ingress of dirt and when filling though this may be minimal. I would however prefer to lock the flap through paranoia over fuel theft..... I don't know why as most fuel thieves just bash a hole in the tank and I have never experienced it, and don't know anyone who has. Ideally the flap should lock closed with the central locking, then I would accept it freely. Its probably cheaper than a standard cap!

It does encourage the unwary to refuel without removing the ignition key and I have two friends that have suffered thefts doing this. Not advised! ALWAYS remove the key even if only getting out for a few seconds; insurers don't pay out!
Probably as it's not designed as a lock
It's a anti misfuel device it's only supposed to open for the correct sized nozzle
Or at least that's what I thought it was
 
I hope this was you having a moment! One has to ask what wise-**** thought this arrangement was an improvement on a locking cap? I don't like it and certainly don't trust it. I am concerned that it seems also to cause problems with the ECU if not opened and closed properly too. (Another post on here recently!)

Small Fiats are best when good straightforward engineering is used. I wish I had never bought my new one. It is so depressing to see all these stupid annoying issues causing people grief. The only consolation is that all the other cars are just as messed up. I hope when the Government has their big Repeal Bill / Act they will get rid of all the ridiculous EU / Euro cobblers from the motoring world, and please can we TAx BMW and Audi out of existence on the UK! It would certainly make the roads safer.

The new Lada Niva by-passes the EU regulations. Imported to UK now. Very good 4WD apparently.
 
Probably as it's not designed as a lock
It's a anti misfuel device it's only supposed to open for the correct sized nozzle
Or at least that's what I thought it was

It was designed as an anti-misfuel device.
Unleaded fuel nozzles should be a smaller diameter than diesel ones. There are in fact two diesel sizes, but you only find the bigger ones at truck only filling points, as this allows a faster flow for their enormous tanks. £1000 or more to fill up?

The smaller nozzles were introduced with unleaded fuel, to prevent using leaded, which would destroy a catalytic converter. Until then, all nozzles were the same size.
I think it was Ford that invented the flap, and announced as a wonderful idea to prevent misfuelling. In reality, I think only the diesel vehicles benefit, preventing the unleaded nozzle from opening the flap, but the larger diameter diesel nozzle won't fit into a petrol car, so no need for anything fancy.

When petrol stations would replace their own nozzles, it was not rare to find they'd used a large one for petrol or a small one for diesel, but with so few small stations around, that is less of a problem. The larger stations all have professional pump engineers do any servicing or repairs to pump, hoses or nozzles. (I've replaced a few hoses and nozzles, between 1972-75)

The smart fuelling system does avoid the loss of fuel caps though.
 
The new Lada Niva

I looked at these and they are a step up from the old Niva. A lot more of a car like interior but I am not convinced the under pinnings are much changed. No doubt competent but these things are the cost of a new Panda Cross so not for me. I shudder to think how they got past the emissions checks! At the end of the day I wouldn't buy anything from Putin's outfit however cheap it might be. Remember Salisbury!
 
Weren't those Lada Niva's supposed to be incredibly heavy? (Although I guess everything else has probably caught up in the lard-arse stakes over the years.)
 
I looked at these and they are a step up from the old Niva. A lot more of a car like interior but I am not convinced the under pinnings are much changed. No doubt competent but these things are the cost of a new Panda Cross so not for me. I shudder to think how they got past the emissions checks! At the end of the day I wouldn't buy anything from Putin's outfit however cheap it might be. Remember Salisbury!

Still looks rather nice though :rolleyes:
 

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