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Old 16-07-2020   #16
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I'm moving the door mirror switch to the door card. The 100HP wires are no help, but the 500 has the switch on the door and a door wiring loom to suit. Details to be posted when it's done.
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I'm moving the door mirror switch to the door card. The 100HP wires are no help, but the 500 has the switch on the door and a door wiring loom to suit. Details to be posted when it's done.


This sounds interesting will look forward the thread...

My cig lighter doesnít work so no phone charger right now so while Iím in there might as well attempt this...
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This sounds interesting will look forward the thread...

My cig lighter doesn’t work so no phone charger right now so while I’m in there might as well attempt this...
I've made a mounting plate for voltmeter with two USB ports that replaces the ciggy lighter. Also added a triple switch set. Day lights, spots and decent reversing light.

The mirror was initially a to extend the switch wires but it was hopelessly fiddly and error prone so gave up on that. The 500 door wiring is far more intelligent.
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More panda woes... when i reassembled the car after the new head was fitted, I didnít replace the lower cambelt cover because I put the aux pulley in place first. I went to install the cover today and it wont fit in place... Click image for larger version

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ID:	211323 I donít know if its how im doing it but it just wont slide up and in place...


I also fitted a new steel coolant pipe but the factory supplied unit was slightly different to the original. Found this out after an hour or two
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ID:	211324 it seems to be a revision as the bracket stamp is the same but the seal end is slightly shorter than the original.... well apart from the fiddly bolt the install was straightforward enough... no leaks after the bleed which is good
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To say Iím hating this little thing is an understatement....
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More panda woes... when i reassembled the car after the new head was fitted, I didnít replace the lower cambelt cover because I put the aux pulley in place first. I went to install the cover today and it wont fit in place... Attachment 211320Attachment 211321Attachment 211322Attachment 211323 I donít know if its how im doing it but it just wont slide up and in place...


I also fitted a new steel coolant pipe but the factory supplied unit was slightly different to the original. Found this out after an hour or two
Wondering why the bolt didnít go back in place... Attachment 211324 it seems to be a revision as the bracket stamp is the same but the seal end is slightly shorter than the original.... well apart from the fiddly bolt the install was straightforward enough... no leaks after the bleed which is good


The no leaks part of this post was a lie lol... Went back in after getting frustrated with the car and put the covers back in place... changed oil with no hiccups other than dropping the sump bolt in the drain pan... while idling the car though and checking for leaks from the filter and sump bolt, the water pipe i changed started pissing water out... wierd. Cleaned coolant out and poked around to see what was loose but nothing budged. No fluid on the block where pipe seats in. When it was leaking, it looked like it came from the rubber hose to the steel pipe on the water pump side but after topping up and idling until hot it didnít leak anywhere again. Head scratcher. Gonna have to let it get hot again to see if it does it again but all clamps are tight. Oh well...
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The coolant pipe has a soft rubber seal at the water pump end. If that's not seated properly it will leak. Red rubber grease on the seal should have it all fitted fine.

Be VERY careful with suspected coolant leaks. There is not much excess volume and (in common with most modern engines) any drop below minimum will stuff the cylinder head (technical term).
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So im up and running all fine now. Ive noticed though that when i top up the fluid to be at max level. The pressure in the system actually makes the volume drop to between the min and max lines. When I loosen the cap though, ill have the fluid level back up to max... strange.


Another issue i have now is the window washer having somehow disconnected itself from the nozzles. The pump works fine as I can hear it and the rear washer still works... Had a mini panic attack the one day as i pulled out my parking to see a puddle of water on the floor thinking i had lost all my coolant, to see its actually just the washer throwing water in the rain tray.
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So im up and running all fine now. Ive noticed though that when i top up the fluid to be at max level. The pressure in the system actually makes the volume drop to between the min and max lines. When I loosen the cap though, ill have the fluid level back up to max... strange.

Air or glass entering the system or its not been fully bleed


there only two bleed taps. And the Panda is one of the easier cars to bleed


needs sorting ASAP as you don't want to be back at square one
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Air or glass entering the system or its not been fully bleed


there only two bleed taps. And the Panda is one of the easier cars to bleed


needs sorting ASAP as you don't want to be back at square one


I check it constantly cos thats what Iím scared of... ill bleed again and see. The level really hasnít changed either. Hasnít dropped below that point.

Another thing Iíve noticed is i struggle to get reverse now is that the lower engine mount? I recall reading something on the forum about that. What are the options out there wrt mounts? Is it worth it going poly or filled rubber or just replace with oem spec mounts?
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shouldn't be a mount

cable operated so even 20 degrees shouldn't effect the gear change


is it the same with the engine off ?


If it is try cleaning the cables onto of the gearbox with some meths or similar then put a couple of drops of engine oil
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My coolant level is always at min when cold. If I fill it to max cold it'll drain itself when hot till min cold again. Pretty normal.

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I check it constantly cos thats what Iím scared of... ill bleed again and see. The level really hasnít changed either. Hasnít dropped below that point.

If the level is holding.. it is probably natural effect of the system running

Keep a close eye on the levels.. but otherwise I wouldnt be too concerned
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shouldn't be a mount



cable operated so even 20 degrees shouldn't effect the gear change





is it the same with the engine off ?





If it is try cleaning the cables onto of the gearbox with some meths or similar then put a couple of drops of engine oil

Thanks ill try this.

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My coolant level is always at min when cold. If I fill it to max cold it'll drain itself when hot till min cold again. Pretty normal.

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Ya this is whats happening. Always at min level. Fill to max and itíll drop to min and stay there. Its Been the same for a few weeks now. O still make a point to check though.

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If the level is holding.. it is probably natural effect of the system running



Keep a close eye on the levels.. but otherwise I wouldnt be too concerned
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My coolant level is always at min when cold. If I fill it to max cold it'll drain itself when hot till min cold again. Pretty normal.

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That isn't normal


I have two Pandas both have been like this more than once although one I bought faulty and had a big Hole in the radiator core filled with radweld. Both have been fixed


One had a corrosion hole in the steel side plates of the radiator the other had a tiny leak between the heater matrix flange and its plastic pipes that sucked in air as it cooled down


When working properly there is a very small variation between hot and cold as it expands maybe a cm or two but it shouldn't be going anywhere near the minimum mark that's got it be over a litre less coolant in the system


The reason its altering so much is air/gas in the system that under pressure is compressing down. When the pressure releases, like when you take the top off it expands and rises again. I know you can run them like this almost indefinitely but it isn't how it should be.


Whether that air/gas is entering the system or is already there needs diagnosing.

Its fairly easy to bleed the Panda


Two bleed screws. One on top of the radiator and one on the heater matrix Hose. Open them both and slowly fill until coolant runs out of the radiator and tighten this screw. Carry on filling until it comes out of the heater matrix Hose and close this bleed screw. You need a small air gap at the top of the radiator if its finished too full you can bump a bit out by squeezing the top Hose and the replace the cap making sure the caps rubber sealing washer is present they do perish I have also had this fail as well. Now run the car up to temperature and stop. Only undo the screw on top of the heater matrix pipe the pressure will push the remaining air out hissing sound until coolant comes out, just like bleeding a radiator at home. In theory I should warn you its over 100 degrees use a rag and so on. In practice its a very small volume and never feels worse than holding a hot cup to me. Anyhow that's it done




If you open the heater matrix bleed screw when the system is hot a week later and coolant comes out all is good. If it hisses again that air/gas has entered the system somewhere
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