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Yes, the bearing has to be removed to fit the inner gaiter and...
I think I'm having de-ja-vu...

Owen, keep the Sisley rear glass safe as they are factory green tinted where the clx might be clear or blue ish.

Rattle sounds like it is coming from prop shaft,


1. 4 axle stands - one each corner,
2. lock one rear wheel and spin the other one to get prop rotating - looks for similar noises.
3. start engine, engage 4x4 and 1st gear and check again ( both rear wheels free)
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Hmm not the usual CV joint rattle, could be extremely worn CV joints on the prop (not front driveshaft) or centre bearings I would say, a look underneath would soon find it though I would think.
On the list to take a look underneath for that then - about a week ago, while underneath, I could slide the shaft forwards and backwards by about a centimeter, not sure if that's what could be causing the noise or if it's normal or not! If it would be useful then I can get a picture/video of that...
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One to check on the carb - There's a little pump that squirts extra fuel in when you hit the throttle, the membrane can perish and split. take the airbox off and look down the carb while you twist the throttle on and off rapidly - you should hear a little "psst" each time and see/smell the fuel squirting in. If not, new membrane needed, easiest way is to just get a carb service kit and give it a once over.
Thanks, it could well be that, also on the list to take a look I'll post my findings here once I find out...
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I think I'm having de-ja-vu...

Owen, keep the Sisley rear glass safe as they are factory green tinted where the clx might be clear or blue ish.

Rattle sounds like it is coming from prop shaft,


1. 4 axle stands - one each corner,
2. lock one rear wheel and spin the other one to get prop rotating - looks for similar noises.
3. start engine, engage 4x4 and 1st gear and check again ( both rear wheels free)
Just making sure

Will be sure to keep the glass, I was initially hoping to just take the handles off of the black tinted windows and put them on the Sisley glass, but when I saw the hinges it just became clear to me that I should just move all of the black tint windows/hinges and handles over and just fix the one damaged part of the handle. I wasn't sure how to remove the handle either (from the window completely), the Haynes manual doesn't say anything other than how to remove the whole window from the hinges. Didn't want to break the handles but if it's easy enough then I may give it a go at some point? For now I will keep the rear glass as spare as I have mechanical issues to attend to first!

Thanks for the info, going to do a bit of testing and looking around on the prop at some point.

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Because the prop is making the noise in 2wd rather than only 4x4, can that mean that I am damaging the prop further just by using it? Or is it easier to find what's wrong with it because it does it in 2wd as well? I'll do some testing underneath over the next few days where time allows and see where I get
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Re: 1988 Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley "Four by Fork"

Just spoken to my father about the noise. He said that while we were test driving the car, the noise was not apparent, even when he was outside of the car as I drove past. He also said that he didn't start to hear a noise when we were driving the car back until the last 10 minutes of the journey (give or take). He says is it possible something came loose over the journey and hence something is fowling something moving, as opposed to a bearing or joint (which is more likely to gradually go rather than go immediately)?

Going to take a look underneath will certainly help to find the issue though, and kolza's idea should point us in the right direction hopefully!
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Could be either the central bearing mounts as @kolza said is the procedure it also maybe that the prop cv gaiter are shot and have debris ingress causing noise. When the drive is applies force this may go !
One or two ways to identify the noise location but creep and go Owen repost if you've still the problem!
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I agree with Kolza and Sjvarley so nothing more to add from me.

As for changing the windows, if memory serves (cant check mine as 750 windows are sealed) its a simple remove the handle using the screws on the inside attached to the pillar then from the outside just pull it backwards and the two tabs at the front should slide out. Use 2 people and gentle to be safe tho
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I agree with Kolza and Sjvarley so nothing more to add from me.

As for changing the windows, if memory serves (cant check mine as 750 windows are sealed) its a simple remove the handle using the screws on the inside attached to the pillar then from the outside just pull it backwards and the two tabs at the front should slide out. Use 2 people and gentle to be safe tho
I already changed the windows, the Haynes manual tells you how to do this but it's quite easy as only needs five screws taking out, one on each of the two hinges and three on the handle. I've got the black tinted windows from my CLX on the Sisley so already transferred them. What I was wondering was if it was possible to change the handles over from my CLX windows to the Sisley windows - not desperate to change them over though as the black tints look fine on there
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I already changed the windows, the Haynes manual tells you how to do this but it's quite easy as only needs five screws taking out, one on each of the two hinges and three on the handle. I've got the black tinted windows from my CLX on the Sisley so already transferred them. What I was wondering was if it was possible to change the handles over from my CLX windows to the Sisley windows - not desperate to change them over though as the black tints look fine on there
I would imagine so dude

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I took a video of the shaft movement I was talking about. The noise is coming from the front, the rear makes no noise. So, it's towards the engine end that is making the noise, it sounds like it's coming from the joint shown in the video, I can see there's no gaiter left where there should be as well.
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Re: 1988 Fiat Panda 4x4 Sisley "Four by Fork"

Yep, you've nailed it!


Looks like both ends will need attention.


Here is probably the cheapest solution.


( I can confirm spline number if your interested)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JEEP-CHERO...4AAOSwNRdYBhHn


ps. one part will not get used - the blanking plate.
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Hmm, that looks just a tad worn! Probably been running with the gaiter split for quite some time. Quite often a clean, re grease and new gaiter sorts things out, but I'd say they are probably past it.
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Quite often a clean, re grease and new gaiter sorts things out, but I'd say they are probably past it.
That was my initial thought when the noise was not there during test drive or on the way back.
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That was my initial thought when the noise was not there during test drive or on the way back.
Yes, that bit is a little odd, maybe they had been packed with grease to shut them up them for selling, and since it has all come out.

To be fair if you could put up with the rattling, the current joints would still work perfectly well once cleaned up. After all they do very little and are only under load when in 4WD.
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Here is probably the cheapest solution.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JEEP-CHERO...4AAOSwNRdYBhHn
ps. one part will not get used - the blanking plate.
Thanks for the link, I take it the Jeep part is a fit for the Panda then?

I think that first I am going to look at greasing and cleaning up the joint, and then see if the noise changes or goes away. If I can get it to go then I can make sure it's probably greased, put a new gaiter on and hopefully it will be fixed
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Hmm, that looks just a tad worn! Probably been running with the gaiter split for quite some time. Quite often a clean, re grease and new gaiter sorts things out, but I'd say they are probably past it.
I'd imagine so, there's no gaiter there at all really, just one end with a zip tie holding it on to the shaft!

I can easily give it some new grease and I'll find some time to clean it up and see how it sounds. If it gets better then I'll give it a thorough clean, grease and get a new gaiter for it - if not then a new joint it is.
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That was my initial thought when the noise was not there during test drive or on the way back.
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Yes, that bit is a little odd, maybe they had been packed with grease to shut them up them for selling, and since it has all come out.

To be fair if you could put up with the rattling, the current joints would still work perfectly well once cleaned up. After all they do very little and are only under load when in 4WD.
It is possible that the long drive and heat hence caused had an effect on the joint/what ever grease used to be on there, so I think it is best to try out the cleaning method first to see how far a stage it has all gone. I'll report back with more findings once I've got time to take a closer look and try greasing it

I'll definitely need to source a new gaiter for it though, regardless of how far the rest of it has gone
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Thanks for the link, I take it the Jeep part is a fit for the Panda then?



OD: 100mm
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Look for ford Grany as they have same cv and boot design, XJ seems to have wider opening for greater prop angle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierr...MAAOSwopRYfsNc


CV joint itself is generic part, and it should not have such a axial play.


CV joint do wear and it looks like free spinning prop in 2wd mode isn't helping at all. CLICK rear half shafts would be helpful.
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Haven't used the 4x4 in a few days as the Fizz finally got some attention again, but here's a picture I took on the lane
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Current wishlist (birthday is coming up )
  • Inner driveshaft gaiters
  • Inner driveshaft bearings
  • Outer driveshaft gaiters
  • Prop shaft CV joint gaiters
  • Gearbox oil

My current plan is to take a good look at that front CV joint area on the prop. If I can pack the CV with grease then hopefully it will help the problem and then I can replace the gaiters.

Lots of gaiters! Once all replaced then hopefully that rattle isn't so prominent, the gearbox oil won't go all over the floor and the outer driveshaft gaiters will stop coming up on the MOT advisories
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