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Old 04-05-2009   #31
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Re: Today's deal between FIAT and Chrysler

yeah i am watching this now. It would make them the second largest car manufacturer in the world
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Here's details of what engines/platforms/cars are coming to the US....

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=147427

Engines mentioned are a 1.4l petrol with multiair, and a 3.0 v6 diesel.

Platforms are the ones from the 500/Panda, GP/Mito, and the "C-Evo" which seems to be Alfa's performance version of the Bravo platform to be used in the Milano.

Cars mentioned are the 500, the "Jeep" Panda, the Grande Punto, Alfa Mito & Alfa Milano. A "Evo sedan" is also mentioned, but it's unclear to what that refers.
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Thanks for the details--don't know how it's flown under my radar *l*

Jeep Panda?

That's an attention grabber and a move I really wasn't expecting. I've seen the Panda 4x4 in action, and it seemed a really capable little offroad vehicle, but I think 'subcompact' may be too big of a leap for any of Jeep's current fans.

Still, Americans used to buy a lot of really compact SUV's (Chevy/Geo Trackers, Sidekicks, RAV4's before they got bigger) so they may be going after some fresh new customers by bringing back a segment which is a little neglected and also one that Chrysler's never been a part of before.

It's probably a little more bold than I'd play it though. At least for the opening lineup. Kind of along the same lines as throwing a land rover badge on it and marketing it to the UK--there's a certain image or heritage that surrounds Jeep. I guess if for whatever reason, the worst happens and they don't sell at all, all anybody's out is the money it costs to ship them to mexico.
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I wonder if the C-EVO platform isn't the Lancia Delta (elongated Bravo) one. In which case they'll probably get a Bravoesque car with good rear legroom.

Lots of Americans want the Brera, but until it gets lightened, and some better engines, it looks like they'll have to wait.

The responses on Autoblog to an admittedly mucked-about Panda Cross were ones of almost universal horror. But they mustn't try to sell it as a Jeep: it's a Fiat.
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Better engines?

2.4 200bhp multijet
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I wonder if the C-EVO platform isn't the Lancia Delta (elongated Bravo) one. In which case they'll probably get a Bravoesque car with good rear legroom.

Lots of Americans want the Brera, but until it gets lightened, and some better engines, it looks like they'll have to wait.

The responses on Autoblog to an admittedly mucked-about Panda Cross were ones of almost universal horror. But they mustn't try to sell it as a Jeep: it's a Fiat.
They will cross promote vehilces under several names. Speaking of names, we won't buy Pandas as the name suggests it is built in China (is it?) and Grand Punto sounds just as sellable as Grand Vitare, hey we'll bring back Volare and Ricardo Montelban from their respective graves. Better to number them. That's why the 500 will sell better than Punto.
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Ah, you just wait. Spirito di Punto is coming your way

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The responses on Autoblog to an admittedly mucked-about Panda Cross were ones of almost universal horror. But they mustn't try to sell it as a Jeep: it's a Fiat.
Like the rest of the country, I'm still not sold on 'Jeep Panda,' and the thought of it crawling through Jeep's Rubicon Trail test course is a bit humorous. Surely though, Chrysler isn't stupid enough to sell a new product without running the name/branding past a few focus groups.

What wouldn't be a bad brand is Plymouth. The 'Plymouth Panda' would sell a lot better and not produce the same gut reaction in the population here. I guess I could clarify that 'Plymouth' was Chrysler's budget line, which was retired a few years ago. (don't know how international it was) Plymouth consisted of rebadged Dodge compacts, but were sold at Chrysler dealers to round out their lot, since Chrysler branded cars are generally larger.

The 'Plymouth Panda' sounds like a funky little SUV to buy teenage daughters so they have something to strap their surfboards to.
Kind of where Suzuki's Sidekick or Samurai used to be.
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Like the rest of the country, I'm still not sold on 'Jeep Panda,' and the thought of it crawling through Jeep's Rubicon Trail test course is a bit humorous.
I can't find the videos of panda 4x4s doing crazy s**t on you tube...sure someone else can..definitely seen them doing stuff thats pretty much unbelieveable although TBF a jeep badge would not suit it.
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I think re-badging would be a bad thing. Everyone knows they're Fiats, and as such they should be sold as such. Free from the baggage that the other names come with. If they offer decent warranty that should get people over the rust worry.

Check out the grin on this guys face... a happy german!

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Why not challenge Americans to deal with words they haven't encountered before, and ask questions rather than jumping to conclusions?

I still reckon Fiat would be better selling the Panda as a Fiat. The 500 will arrive as one, so why not the other models? Certainly use the C-EVO architecture to build a Sebring or whatever, but I would like to think that some Americans might actually like to have a Fiat. It isn't 1980 any more, and good advertising would bury any ghosts.

Oh, and there was the video. See, a pretty competent little climber...

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Yeah, best sold as a FIAT. I don't seriously think they're really going to sell it as a Jeep, but if they do, they'll probably market it like this:



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It's a lovely little thing, but its underpowered for here, so it would need work to succeed in the US.

I just hope all this works. Oil is on the up I notice, which is what I expected at the first sniff of an economic upturn. Soon the price of fuel will rocket again, and then Fiat's hand will be even stronger in the US.

Of course, as soon as fuel prices increase again the economy will collapse once more....sad, but true.
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Well you're getting the Grande Punto, at least. Which I'm quite surprised about.
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Well you're getting the Grande Punto, at least. Which I'm quite surprised about.
I didn't expect to see it directly, what I expected was that a Chrysler car would be designed on its platform--probably called the 'Argon,' or 'Neon 2.0' or somesuch.

No word on Abarth, hot engines, or sportier FIAT trim levels yet, eh?
I'll be honest, I personally, am interested in a warm/hot car. I've currently got a slug, and the hell if I'm buying another one, no matter how nice they look.
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