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Enjoyable reading, and so familiar. I've experienced similar issues at the other end of the country, having spent most of my time in the trade in Dorset.
I remember the Maestro and Montego having a very fine ratchet on the handbrake lever, with a need for around 10 clicks free play. This caused havoc with mechanics as they were used to a 'universal' 3-5 clicks, with the result of auto adjusters not operating, as Old Jock says. I always hated the 'how many clicks' question, and I always answered with a question about ratchet pitch. That stumped them.

Despite autos having the physical lock in park, it is actually illegal to park without applying the handbrake.

Land Rovers of course had the handbrake on the output of the gearbox, giving that characteristic rock when applied. Seen many broken half-shaft splines from applying the handbrake while still moving.
We had a farmer with 4 Land Rovers, brought them in for service regularly. Each time the load bed would be full of produce, which was expected to be empty when returned. Potatoes, swedes, cabbages, carrots (that's a hell of a lot of carrots in a long wheelbase Land Rover). Every member of staff had a few carrier bags available at all times.
Favourite customer was probably Dorset Chocolates. Hand made chocolates, sold in a local shop, not cheap. Little factory unit on a trading estate. Whoever deliverd the Rover SD1 back after service would return with a carrier bag of 'misshapes', mostly nothing wrong. Big clamour for the share out on that one.
Less well received was the Jaguar XJ6 of a local chicken processing factory owner. Boot full of dead chickens to share. Sadly not 'oven-ready' as the factory output, just dead, needing plucking and emptying of innards. Bit of work, so only a few took them away.
Another memory, removing a dead mouse form on top of a Marina heater box. Had to remove the whole curved dash. Vet's car, mouse got in when at a farm, chewed a few bits of paper over a week or so, before expiring in a warm place. Expensive little blighter.

Sorry, hi-jacked the thread. Perhaps scope for a 'motor trade memories' thread in Leisure Lounge.
 
Enjoyable reading, and so familiar. I've experienced similar issues at the other end of the country, having spent most of my time in the trade in Dorset.
I remember the Maestro and Montego having a very fine ratchet on the handbrake lever, with a need for around 10 clicks free play. This caused havoc with mechanics as they were used to a 'universal' 3-5 clicks, with the result of auto adjusters not operating, as Old Jock says. I always hated the 'how many clicks' question, and I always answered with a question about ratchet pitch. That stumped them.

Despite autos having the physical lock in park, it is actually illegal to park without applying the handbrake.

Land Rovers of course had the handbrake on the output of the gearbox, giving that characteristic rock when applied. Seen many broken half-shaft splines from applying the handbrake while still moving.
We had a farmer with 4 Land Rovers, brought them in for service regularly. Each time the load bed would be full of produce, which was expected to be empty when returned. Potatoes, swedes, cabbages, carrots (that's a hell of a lot of carrots in a long wheelbase Land Rover). Every member of staff had a few carrier bags available at all times.
Favourite customer was probably Dorset Chocolates. Hand made chocolates, sold in a local shop, not cheap. Little factory unit on a trading estate. Whoever deliverd the Rover SD1 back after service would return with a carrier bag of 'misshapes', mostly nothing wrong. Big clamour for the share out on that one.
Less well received was the Jaguar XJ6 of a local chicken processing factory owner. Boot full of dead chickens to share. Sadly not 'oven-ready' as the factory output, just dead, needing plucking and emptying of innards. Bit of work, so only a few took them away.
Another memory, removing a dead mouse form on top of a Marina heater box. Had to remove the whole curved dash. Vet's car, mouse got in when at a farm, chewed a few bits of paper over a week or so, before expiring in a warm place. Expensive little blighter.

Sorry, hi-jacked the thread. Perhaps scope for a 'motor trade memories' thread in Leisure Lounge.
Yes, we should stay on subject I suppose, but I find your posts are always interesting. I too have run into the 3 clicks myth, to such an extent that some colleagues would warn you that "it'll never pass MOT with all that slack". Also have sorry memories of the digital dash and it's "dead chaplets" problems. Our sparks changed a few of those!
Landy half shafts too, mostly broken by applying that transmission brake whilst still rolling and "that rock" caused by the rear springs winding up a little. Up here we have gritted (for which read salted) roads on many occasions which wreaks havoc with ferrous metals. Our MOT chap was very keen on failing them when there were oil leaks from the spherical joints on the front axle. (We called them "Skulls"). Often the problem was caused by deep pitting of the polished surface of the sphere caused by the salt corrosion, a set of new seals wouldn't cure it. I became quite adept at renewing Skulls and seals and shimming up the steering swivels. In fact what with the Land Rovers and Mini/1100/1300/Princess etc I became really expert at shimming up ball joints. I quickly became expert at using a micrometer on the shims. But later on I found I could tell the shim thicknesses by just flexing them between my thumb and two fingers.
The only memory I have of the SD1 was stripping the head off a six cylinder which had burned a couple of valves. Vaguely remember I didn't especially enjoy it but nothing like as bad as trying to get the head off a Dolly 1850!
Our customers were not as generous as yours and I don't remember ever recieving gifts. Fancy the chocolates but a boot full of dead chickens?
I like your idea of a "mechanics memories" thread in the measure lounge.
As always kind regards
Jock
 
Yes, we should stay on subject I suppose, but I find your posts are always interesting. I too have run into the 3 clicks myth, to such an extent that some colleagues would warn you that "it'll never pass MOT with all that slack". Also have sorry memories of the digital dash and it's "dead chaplets" problems. Our sparks changed a few of those!
Landy half shafts too, mostly broken by applying that transmission brake whilst still rolling and "that rock" caused by the rear springs winding up a little. Up here we have gritted (for which read salted) roads on many occasions which wreaks havoc with ferrous metals. Our MOT chap was very keen on failing them when there were oil leaks from the spherical joints on the front axle. (We called them "Skulls"). Often the problem was caused by deep pitting of the polished surface of the sphere caused by the salt corrosion, a set of new seals wouldn't cure it. I became quite adept at renewing Skulls and seals and shimming up the steering swivels. In fact what with the Land Rovers and Mini/1100/1300/Princess etc I became really expert at shimming up ball joints. I quickly became expert at using a micrometer on the shims. But later on I found I could tell the shim thicknesses by just flexing them between my thumb and two fingers.
The only memory I have of the SD1 was stripping the head off a six cylinder which had burned a couple of valves. Vaguely remember I didn't especially enjoy it but nothing like as bad as trying to get the head off a Dolly 1850!
Our customers were not as generous as yours and I don't remember ever recieving gifts. Fancy the chocolates but a boot full of dead chickens?
I like your idea of a "mechanics memories" thread in the measure lounge.
As always kind regards
Jock
Actually, thinking about the "Landy rock", the transmission brake would have to act on the rear axle for rear spring wind up to cause the rock. So I guess it was actually caused by the engine rocking on its mounts? Or do I need to think about this in greater depth?
Regards
Jock
 
Actually, thinking about the "Landy rock", the transmission brake would have to act on the rear axle for rear spring wind up to cause the rock. So I guess it was actually caused by the engine rocking on its mounts? Or do I need to think about this in greater depth?
Regards
Jock

I think it was just the backlash in the diff gears really. With wear to the prop UJs it would get worse.
Had to change the skulls on brother's Disco recently, so many bits. From Disco2 they are open with normal ball joints and a CV joint with a gaiter. Shame that took so long to figure.
 
I think it was just the backlash in the diff gears really. With wear to the prop UJs it would get worse.
Had to change the skulls on brother's Disco recently, so many bits. From Disco2 they are open with normal ball joints and a CV joint with a gaiter. Shame that took so long to figure.
Haven't worked on any modern 4WD stuff but remember being surprised to see how JEEP used to do it when, long ago, I was required to do an oil service on one. - only Jeep I've ever laid hands on. - Exposed universal joints burling away merrily in the middle of the swivels! Remember wondering how effective they were at rock (well ok, small stone) crushing?

Lovely word, "burling. When I first moved back home to Scotland after my first job down south in the "wicked" capitol, it was not unusual to hear mechanics referring to CV joints as "burling joints". A corruption of "Birfield" perhaps? Burling meaning to spin round, as far as l know. As people will talk, generically, about a CV joint today, It was common to refer to them as Birfield joints back then. Just realised I haven't heard anyone call them Birfield joints in a long time.

At least you can change the Skulls on a Land Rover. Our MOT chap once failed a small 4WD Suzuki on leaking swivel seals. Usual thing, it had corroded spherical casings. But, oh dear! The spheres are integrally WELDED to the end of the axle casings! I wasn't working on this one but I believe a complete axle had to be fitted. I do remember the weeping and wailing emanating from the office when the customer came in to pay the bill!

You've set me to thinking about motor trade, or, more wide ranging perhaps? mechanics, memories. Might try kicking one off if I dare?
Kind regards
Jock
 
If parking in the flat can either first or reverse gear be used? Is it preferable to use a gear facing away from the road out of the parking bay or does this not matter? Is it good to still park in gear parked between two cars? I take it first or reverse gear are still the two best gears to use for parking on the flat
 
Firstly, if you are doubtful about your handbrake, get it fixed. Another name for this is the 'parking brake'. A clue there.

When parking in gear, to gain the best effect from the engine the lowest gear should be used.
Strangely, DVSA recommends using 1st gear when facing uphill and reverse when facing downhill. This will attempt to turn the engine the wrong way. This worries me.
From my memory of the theory at college (1974-5), turning the engine the opposite way will not find greater compression pressure than turning it the correct way, so I can see no advantage to this recommendation.

The camshaft will be turned either by belt or chain, with a tight side and a slack side. The slack side is tensioned. Turning this the wrong way reverses the tight and slack sides, so the slack side is no longer tensioned. Like pedalling your bicycle backwards -the chain comes off. There is a risk that the timing belt or chain could slip. When valves and pistons meet of course, that'll stop the progress down the hill.

Stop facing down a steep hill. Engine off. Put into 1st gear. Now gently release the footbrake and see if it holds. See how long it will hold before gently moving, as the compression pressure leaks past the pistons. Then as it rotates to the next compression stroke, see if it will hold, or just slow it a bit. With enough time, it will start to walk down the hill, gradually gathering speed.
 
Having any arguement with someone about the merits of this today! So am I right thinking if you are parking on the flat either first or reverse are suitable gears to leave your car in?
 
Is this thread still going :D Common sense should prevail but it seems almost baffling to some. Parking up a car ain't rocket science, I certainly don't want to burst anyones bubble, but being unsure/struggling to understand this basic know how of your car makes me wonder..:rolleyes:
 
Depending on how steep the hill is and how I arrived.

Slow thirty zone for example. I would park close to the curb and steer into it. Effectively using the curb as a chock.

If I am driving something modern with an Electronic handbrake I always leave the vehicle in second gear as well as tuning the wheels toward the curb. E brakes have been known to fail, warm discs when parked can shrink as the cool rendering the E brake ineffective so if I arrived from a national speed limit zone I would take extra precautions.

Don't park with your handbrake at all if you know your brakes are hot. They can get stuck or free themselves. As my mate found out when his kit car rolled into my Bravo at a track day last year. ;)
 
Having any arguement with someone about the merits of this today! So am I right thinking if you are parking on the flat either first or reverse are suitable gears to leave your car in?

Firstly why would this warrant a discussion let alone an argument.

Secondly why would you need to park in gear on a flat surface, what benefit would you gain from doing so?
 
Firstly why would this warrant a discussion let alone an argument.

Secondly why would you need to park in gear on a flat surface, what benefit would you gain from doing so?

Yet again Andy more unhelpful/unnecessary comments from you. I think it would be wise if you ignored and didn’t comment on my posts I believe future seeing as they seem to offend you so much
 
Can't help myself:D There does seem to be a tad more discussion on here about asinine subjects that warrants little or no input at all. Amusing at times & mind boggling at other times. Slightly off topic & I've had discussions on here before about the complete lack of knowledge regarding to do with running a car at all. OK it's only easy when you know the answer, but forums are/can be places where it brings the bad out in some people.

The one thing that forums bring out in users is taking things too personally. I'm old skool & tinkered about with cars along with a mass of others from my generation. I just see more & more young vehicle owners not having the knowledge for one reason or another as we did. Perhaps off topic, I've said before how I make my experiences in the vehicle world a pleasurable/happy one. There seems to be a level on here that take things too seriously. Just my thoughts.
 
There seems to be a few questions from time to time relating to driving techniques. Perhaps when learning the point has been missed, or forgotten and not shown as an issue while training. As an instructor, there is so much to cover, so little time, and an assumption that what is said will 'stick'. Young new drivers are full of enthusiasm, and often an expectation that it is easy, so some of wat is imparted by their instructor passes through! It is easy for experienced drivers to assume or expect others to know.

Perhaps a new thread in Leisure Lounge about Driving Techniques might be an idea. I'll start one, see how it goes.
 
Best of luck with that one Bill :D I can envisage a plethora of of advice from some who will.....!!!!!?:devil: Ach I'll leave it at that. Might be entertaining.;)
 
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