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Out of curiosity, if I keep the Panda for another five years or more... what do you guys reckon a good next step would be?

Who knows what will be around in 5 years time. Fiat by then might be rebadged Peugeots, such a dreary thought. Governments will want us all to go electric, without having the electricity for us to charge them with.

Stop browsing, it'll only fuel the urge to spend.
Ask yourself, "Need" or "Want".
Then keep the Panda.
 
Who knows what will be around in 5 years time. Fiat by then might be rebadged Peugeots, such a dreary thought. Governments will want us all to go electric, without having the electricity for us to charge them with.

Stop browsing, it'll only fuel the urge to spend.
Ask yourself, "Need" or "Want".
Then keep the Panda.

That's true. I suspect the little progress we've seen since 2015 to now will be the opposite of the five years ahead.

Sincerely hope the Italians don't let Fiat become a 'badge brand' like Dacia / Skoda etc have ended up. That's not to say they got a bad deal. But... surely only Italians can (and are actually willing to) build 'proper fun Italian cars' at the low and high ends..

I suppose if I keep this Panda until it gets 'old' and 'worthless' then it could be the last ICE car I ever own depending how electric and other solutions succeed..
 
That doesn't sound good. As tempting as the DS3 is - btw, mostly just because for around £9k there's 2017 maxed out equipment models going with low enough miles - maybe I should forget it.. :(

I'm not entirely not practicing what I preach in that we're probably getting our third Citroen on the spin shortly.

But I just didn't get on with our DS3, it was a car I always liked before we had one so it was a shame.

It looks really cool and you look at it and think this should be fun, and you drive it and it's standard PSA dead steering, lemon sharp brakes, clutch that bites somewhere near the roof and gearbox like stirring a bucket of marbles with the stick.

We've had them years I'm totally used to it...but I prefer the none DS badged cars as there's no pretence of fun or sportiness so you don't hop in expecting it. Also they have springs while the DS didn't, just concrete blocks, which would have been OK if it was any fun.

Although in 6 years of Citroen we've not had so much as blown bulb in terms of reliability, it was just crap finish issues on the DS3 which the C3 doesn't suffer from being Romanian not French.
 
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Keep the Panda for five years and then consider an EV. By then you will know if charging is going to be an issue. Personally I dont think it will but the time will tell.

Buy some Tesla shares. Who knows what they'll be worth in five years but one thing for sure buying almost anything else is even more risky. As for buying another car right now? You know it will cost you money. Depreciation alone is a serious hit every year.
 
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I do like the Astra but everybody I speak to for advice has nothing good to say about Vauxhall.

Alot of these cars are not designed to last, they are designed to make the first maybe the second owner happy for the first 6 - 8 years, till they are two old for the main dealer's to care about anymore.
Then you get rid at the end of your PCP deal and buy another equally bland run of the mill car for another 3-4 years.

They get you in the door and buying these new or nearly new cars by making them look as flashy as possible on the outside but as cheap to make on the inside, hence why they don't last.

As for vauxhall, Throughout the 2000s I drove literally hundreds of them and they where all equally boring and bland, even supposedly hot VXR models, same car just more power under the bonnet.

The newer cars don't seem to have shown any improvement. Probably why GM wanted rid of them so much and why they needed buying out by Peugeot.

A very good friend of mine has a fully loaded not very old Moka, he got very cheaply from his father in law, not a car he would of otherwise bought, but how he describes it, is that he cares so little about it, that it could catch fire tomorrow and he wouldn't care one bit. Which he said was refreshing compared to previous cars he owned which were worthing caring about including an S1 Elise a couple of classic (late 90s early 2000) minis, mercedes, the list goes on. He does still keep a Mini 500 (one of the last 500 original minis made before the BMW ones appeared) but he just doesn't care about the Vauxhall.

Seems like the house is the thing to focus on then!


Out of curiosity, if I keep the Panda for another five years or more... what do you guys reckon a good next step would be?

In 5 years time fiat may be reduced to a specialist car making only electric 500s, who knows what might come out of the merger in the coming years. I like the 500x but I would only buy one if they made an abarth version. The Tipo is basically a vauxhall Hashtra. So It would be worth just waiting and seeing what you like in 5 years. There will almost certainly be a lot of new electric cars by then.
 
In 5 years time fiat may be reduced to a specialist car making only electric 500s, who knows what might come out of the merger in the coming years. I like the 500x but I would only buy one if they made an abarth version. The Tipo is basically a vauxhall Hashtra. So It would be worth just waiting and seeing what you like in 5 years. There will almost certainly be a lot of new electric cars by then.

I reckon I'll keep the Panda then, if all of you are recommending it then it's probably the best choice. Appreciate the replies. The next five years in terms of cars will be interesting.

I suspect my next car will likely be a little larger, maybe Focus or Golf size.

Btw, as much as I love the Panda - and I do, the silly reason I took the notion to look at other cars last weekend was because I wanted something that'd blend in a bit more, rather than stand out... Usually I am pretty damn happy with what the Panda is, a little different, but went through a random phase of 'caring what people think', but it seems to have passed now! Lol
 
Alot of these cars are not designed to last, they are designed to make the first maybe the second owner happy for the first 6 - 8 years, till they are two old for the main dealer's to care about anymore.
Then you get rid at the end of your PCP deal and buy another equally bland run of the mill car for another 3-4 years.

I would say that business model applies to pretty much everything on sale at this point.

The only thing that varies regards the life of cars is if you get a 10 year old VX that needs major work the owner is more likely to weigh it in. 10 Year old Audi or BMW or whatever is as likely to need work but the higher value of the car outweighs the repair bills for longer so they stay on the road longer.

The Japanese do things a bit differently, but there are still issues that will need to be addressed with most things.

If anything this why I'm getting a 2019, and planning to have it fully paid off in 2-3 years max. Get it snagged in warranty, maybe extend the warranty, have it fully paid by 4 years old max get 2-4 years of "free" car out of it before I chop it in for what is likely to be an Electric car.

Yes depreciation is a thing but given as a household we've paid well over 20k over 6 years on cars with nothing to show for it paying 8k over 3 and having a paid for car at the end with a bit of capital in it is moving forward. Not an investment by any means but you gotta pay to play. If you don't want to lose money on cars then don't buy a car.
 
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If you don't want to lose money on cars then don't buy a car.

Spot on. (y)

Older cars bought with a bit of due diligence will have things that need fixing, but chosen carefully they'll get the job done. That said if you are regularly driving 150+ miles a Panda might not be the tool you'll want to use. Not that the Panda will care they just keep going regardless.

Japanese cars. My brother has a Honda Jazz, his rear brakes had to be sent away for rebuild because they corroded so badly and new were silly money. He should check eBay, because new Jazz rear calipers are much the same as new Fiat rear calipers.
 
Japanese cars. My brother has a Honda Jazz, his rear brakes had to be sent away for rebuild because they corroded so badly and new were silly money. He should check eBay, because new Jazz rear calipers are much the same as new Fiat rear calipers.

Same problem on daughter in law's '08 Jazz. Because of very poor handbrake performance I checked it and found rear pads unevenly worn and too thin.

Tackled the O/S first. Disconnected the hand brake and lubed everything in sight which freed up quite nicely only to find the piston not too keen to wind back in. I did get it wound back though so carried on with the overhaul. N/S was a similar story except that the piston was very reluctant to move and I gave up after managing to get it wound about half way back in and sourced a rebuilt job from the factor for just over £50. I could have got it cheaper I'm sure but by then it was around tea time and she had to get home with the kids. If I'd started with the N/S one first I'd probably just have replaced both and I'm now expecting the N/S one to need doing at the next service, if not sooner.

I've been looking after this Jazz for a number of years and I'm generally very impressed with it but, as with all cars, things do go wrong. I'd been looking at Civic Estates before buying our Ibiza Estate and I had to laugh when I went to the dealer for a test drive to be accosted by a salesman who, having asked me what I was driving at present, said: Well, said he, you'll find Honda ownership a real revelation, they just don't go wrong! I kept my mouth buttoned as I wanted the test drive but I'm now well prepared if I ever find myself in front of him again.
 
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Alot of these cars are not designed to last, they are designed to make the first maybe the second owner happy for the first 6 - 8 years, till they are two old for the main dealer's to care about anymore.
Then you get rid at the end of your PCP deal and buy another equally bland run of the mill car for another 3-4 years.

They get you in the door and buying these new or nearly new cars by making them look as flashy as possible on the outside but as cheap to make on the inside, hence why they don't last.

As for vauxhall, Throughout the 2000s I drove literally hundreds of them and they where all equally boring and bland, even supposedly hot VXR models, same car just more power under the bonnet.

The newer cars don't seem to have shown any improvement. Probably why GM wanted rid of them so much and why they needed buying out by Peugeot.

A very good friend of mine has a fully loaded not very old Moka, he got very cheaply from his father in law, not a car he would of otherwise bought, but how he describes it, is that he cares so little about it, that it could catch fire tomorrow and he wouldn't care one bit. Which he said was refreshing compared to previous cars he owned which were worthing caring about including an S1 Elise a couple of classic (late 90s early 2000) minis, mercedes, the list goes on. He does still keep a Mini 500 (one of the last 500 original minis made before the BMW ones appeared) but he just doesn't care about the Vauxhall.



In 5 years time fiat may be reduced to a specialist car making only electric 500s, who knows what might come out of the merger in the coming years. I like the 500x but I would only buy one if they made an abarth version. The Tipo is basically a vauxhall Hashtra. So It would be worth just waiting and seeing what you like in 5 years. There will almost certainly be a lot of new electric cars by then.
I don't mean to sound picky, but isn't the Tipo more Fiat than GM? From what I understand, it's based on the Grande Punto platform, and with pure Fiat engines?
 
I would say that business model applies to pretty much everything on sale at this point.

The only thing that varies regards the life of cars is if you get a 10 year old VX that needs major work the owner is more likely to weigh it in. 10 Year old Audi or BMW or whatever is as likely to need work but the higher value of the car outweighs the repair bills for longer so they stay on the road longer.

The Japanese do things a bit differently, but there are still issues that will need to be addressed with most things.

If anything this why I'm getting a 2019, and planning to have it fully paid off in 2-3 years max. Get it snagged in warranty, maybe extend the warranty, have it fully paid by 4 years old max get 2-4 years of "free" car out of it before I chop it in for what is likely to be an Electric car.

Yes depreciation is a thing but given as a household we've paid well over 20k over 6 years on cars with nothing to show for it paying 8k over 3 and having a paid for car at the end with a bit of capital in it is moving forward. Not an investment by any means but you gotta pay to play. If you don't want to lose money on cars then don't buy a car.
£20k?! Ouch!! [emoji33][emoji33][emoji33]
 
I reckon I'll keep the Panda then, if all of you are recommending it then it's probably the best choice. Appreciate the replies. The next five years in terms of cars will be interesting.

I suspect my next car will likely be a little larger, maybe Focus or Golf size.

Btw, as much as I love the Panda - and I do, the silly reason I took the notion to look at other cars last weekend was because I wanted something that'd blend in a bit more, rather than stand out... Usually I am pretty damn happy with what the Panda is, a little different, but went through a random phase of 'caring what people think', but it seems to have passed now! Lol
My tuppence worth: keeping the Panda is a complete no brainer. You'd wanted 1 for a while, plus I get the impression that you're rather pleased with it. I suspect that if you bought an Astra or a focus, you'd regret it immediately once the utter blandness hit you. My personal recommendation is unless your needs change, then without doubt, keep the Panda for as many years as possible.
 
£20k?! Ouch!! [emoji33][emoji33][emoji33]

If you pay any seemingly reasonable monthly amount for long enough eventually it adds up into an unreasonable amount of money.

It's why I'm willing to give my car up to get us out of it, I've been saving up for a new car forever anyway so I've got a chunk saved up and I can get a loan at a quarter of the interest rate of a PCP to cover the rest.
 
I don't mean to sound picky, but isn't the Tipo more Fiat than GM? From what I understand, it's based on the Grande Punto platform, and with pure Fiat engines?

More misunderstanding than picky.

The Tipo is a fiat copy of an astra in my view, there are a lot of very similar styling ques and the car is designed to be in the same place in the market with very similar spec levels.

So when I say its basically an Astra, What I mean is it is a Fiat Astra. It is fiats version of an Astra, there is little to differentiate the two cars on paper, or really in appearance.

A platform is essentially a set of measurements that a car manufacturer uses to cut costs because they don't have to retool every time they make a new car and they may have components that already fit from the parts bin if they follow those measurements. It doesn't mean the floor pan of one car is the same as another or that every mechanical parts off a Vauxhall Adam fits a Punto and a jeep renegade which are all built on the same platform, it just means they can use some common components.

If you go on say ebay and look up the 4 wheel drive components of a fiat 500x, there is no way they will bolt onto a Punto or Corsa D, but they all come from the same "platform"
 
The Jeep Renegade and Fiat 500x are built on the same line in Poland, so the components can't be "that" much different. I expect the "tuning" and control maps are different but everything apart from body shape seems to be the same.
 
The Jeep Renegade and Fiat 500x are built on the same line in Poland, so the components can't be "that" much different. I expect the "tuning" and control maps are different but everything apart from body shape seems to be the same.

You totally missed the point I was making. The Vauxhall Adam and the grande Punto share the same platform as the 500x and the renegade. How many parts do you think are easily interchangeable between a Vauxhall Adam and a 500x?

No one was saying there were massive incompatibilities between the renegade and the 500x so you’re commenting on a point no one was making.... as usual
 
The point still stands. The cars I mentioned look hugely different but are extremely similar under the skin.

By the way, you are being an abrasive pedant as usual. :p
 
The point still stands. The cars I mentioned look hugely different but are extremely similar under the skin.

By the way, you are being an abrasive pedant as usual. :p

Well done, you’re probably right, but it was a point that no one was making or arguing against??

To call me a pedant while being pedantic is hilarious though!
 
Haven't used my big compressor for years so thought i'd start it up see if it still works, then i undid the drain screw without concentrating and it came right out, big jet of air hits my finger and hurt like hell for a second.
later i noticed my finger looks like it has bits of grit embedded in it:eek:

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Dave, glad you got away with that just about! Hope you are not too shaken up, I have done that sort of thing before and it can really rattle the mind, even if no physical harm. Have slowed down over the years from being a little reckless... Actually find jobs go more quickly!
Thanks for sharing your cautionary tale.
 
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