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I'm on a random Mazda 3 Facebook group...mainly Americans.



They had a little poll when do you change your oil? Some are following on board schedule others are doing it at half intervals. But either way the full intervals on an American 3 are less than half of the UK one on the same car (6k versus 12500).



But apparently oil changes every 3k is a big thing over there..even if it's 0w20 fully synthetic..



There must be oceans of barely used oil..


I change mine every 7,000 and use fully synthetic

Basically Iím trying to never let the oil get so bad it clogs up the system
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I change mine every 7,000 and use fully synthetic

Basically I’m trying to never let the oil get so bad it clogs up the system
I'm pro regular oil changes....but every 3k? Mine gets done every 8 (with the correct fully synth oil due to timing chain) simply because that's how many miles it does a year..but 3? If it was a 400bhp 2.0 turbo from the 90s perhaps.
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I'm pro regular oil changes....but every 3k? Mine gets done every 8 (with the correct fully synth oil due to timing chain) simply because that's how many miles it does a year..but 3? If it was a 400bhp 2.0 turbo from the 90s perhaps.
Yes the Americans do like frequent oil changes. It's based on commercially Driven FUD (fear uncertanty and doubt). In cities there are lots of "jiffy-lube" and similar fast oil change drive throughs. The EPA have had a long running campaign to stop the practice because it's wasteful and causes pollution (oil recycled falls way short of oil sold). There have also been scandals of them up-selling premium oils brake fluid changes etc that are not needed and in some cases not even done.
I'm a 8-12k man depending on engine and usage.

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Re: What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

At 3k miles you could be recycling it into other cars or not changing it at all and no one would notice (unless it was a diesel). I've done 1500 since my last change and it still barely has any colour to it, even at 8 it's very light yellow.

Ah well, this from country that says a set of plugs and a new air filter is a tune up..
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I'm pro regular oil changes....but every 3k? Mine gets done every 8 (with the correct fully synth oil due to timing chain) simply because that's how many miles it does a year..but 3? If it was a 400bhp 2.0 turbo from the 90s perhaps.


I get mine done every 10k, there is the option for a longer life 18k service interval, but apparently I have been told by the dealer themselves that they still use the same oil in the 10k as the 18k so they essentially just tell you to not bring the car back for an extra 8k the thing is I do a very high number of miles so want it running well and to be reliable, as well as the costs of the two different services end up evening out. (Expensive life longer service verses cheaper shorter intervals)

It means my car gets two services a year one major and one minor.

When I had a Range Rover years ago and I had a friend who had a V8 Range Rover (both 80s models)the recommended interval for that v8engine was about 3k miles because the tolerances were terrible, use thick oil to try and keep the compression up and change it regularly as it would get heavily contaminated with products of combustion past the piston rings.

I think historically American cars especially muscle cars have been much the same and needed to have very regular oil changes, and itís almost just the thing you do now if you have a car in the US.

Why wouldnít you have your oil changed so regularly if thatís what everyone else does?
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I can totally see why your average old V8 with tolerances you can fit hand in, running on mineral oil would need regular changes. Getting it done 3 times a year if you do 30k a year is sensible enough...but 10 times a year on that mileage?

Tbf their cars, can do what they want. But it's really strange that if my car was registered in the U.S. the actual scheduled interval would be 6k, a mechanically identical world car registered in the UK is 12500. The waste involved must be massive.
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Today I stopped to help a chap in a Porsche Cayenne. He was "parked" about ten feet from a junction, hazard lights on, two wheels on a grass verge, sat at around a fifteen to twenty degree angle and there was blue/white smoke bellowing out of the exhaust.

I asked of he was okay and of he had broken down. The voice on the loud speaker laughed and he informed me he was on the phone.

"I'm in a fifty thousand Pound Porsche. As if I'm going to need help from someone in a....

...Fiat?"

"Okay. You are burning oil though. Probably because you are parked at such an angle".

I went by about half an hour later and the Porsche was still there with the bonnet up and engine turned off. I didn't feel like stopping to help that time to be honest. I did; but the chap wasn't there.
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Today I stopped to help a chap in a Porsche Cayenne. He was "parked" about ten feet from a junction, hazard lights on, two wheels on a grass verge, sat at around a fifteen to twenty degree angle and there was blue/white smoke bellowing out of the exhaust.

I asked of he was okay and of he had broken down. The voice on the loud speaker laughed and he informed me he was on the phone.

"I'm in a fifty thousand Pound Porsche. As if I'm going to need help from someone in a....

...Fiat?"

"Okay. You are burning oil though. Probably because you are parked at such an angle".

I went by about half an hour later and the Porsche was still there with the bonnet up and engine turned off. I didn't feel like stopping to help that time to be honest. I did; but the chap wasn't there.
Weird. Also - would the angle affect the engine so alarmingly like that? Surely these cars are designed to run over all sorts of gradients? Sounds like there was something wrong with him more than his car.
Anyway it's a Porsche. They never break down...
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Weird. Also - would the angle affect the engine so alarmingly like that? Surely these cars are designed to run over all sorts of gradients? Sounds like there was something wrong with him more than his car.
Anyway it's a Porsche. They never break down...
Take all of the above with a very big pinch of salt.

To be honest if my car broke down I have full AA cover and wouldnít want to accept any help from a random passer by, especially if I was driving a £50k 4x4, because letís be honest, even if he is burning oil, whatís a passer by going to do about it anyway?
My brother had a Cayenne if it went wrong the first call you made was to your credit card company to extend your limit, there was literally nothing you can do on the driveway and. £50k cayenne would still be well under warranty

Iíve known people to wreck a 4x4 engine though oil starvation but this requires some extreme levels of off roading putting the cars at very, very steep angles for prolonged periods. They donít tend to burn their own oil because they are designed for driving on steep angles. Being parked on a kerb isnít going to do anything.
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Quote Originally Posted by StevenRB45 View Post
I can totally see why your average old V8 with tolerances you can fit hand in, running on mineral oil would need regular changes. Getting it done 3 times a year if you do 30k a year is sensible enough...but 10 times a year on that mileage?

Tbf their cars, can do what they want. But it's really strange that if my car was registered in the U.S. the actual scheduled interval would be 6k, a mechanically identical world car registered in the UK is 12500. The waste involved must be massive.
Maybe they know the culture of very frequent oil changes out there, means if they specified a 12k interval no one would do it anyway and itís a way of slowly trying to change the culture by setting a higher interval which they can increase over years to try and push people to not be so keen to Change the oil every 5 minutes
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They donít tend to burn their own oil because they are designed for driving on steep angles. Being parked on a kerb isnít going to do anything.
That's what I thought... If it was possible to break a car just by running it on a slope it wouldn't be much good for anything other than pootling about on the fens!
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To be honest if my car broke down I have full AA cover and wouldnít want to accept any help from a random passer by, especially if I was driving a £50k 4x4
Both Porsche and VW as well as JLR use the AA. They don't send liveried vans as part of the service agreement unless they can't get one of the silver "customer service" vans out in a reasonable time.

The specialist vans have full diagnostic capability with the latest manufacturer software updates. They've actually got an agreement with JLR to use silver discoveries..which is inconvenient as they can't flat tow with them.
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I don't know if the Porsche was broken down, stuck or the driver popped the bonnet because it was parked (abandoned) so close to a junction. He wasn't there to ask.

Porsche's do break down. There has been at least one with some kind of mechanical failure at every track day I have attended this year.

March - Suspected clutch on a 930 turned out to be the gearbox.

June - Boxster went into limp mode due to a sensor failing.
- Different Boxster head gasket failure.

September - 924 wouldn't start due to fuel pump failure.
- 944 Turbo seal failure.
- Cayman limp mode after going off track.

Anyway; today was the deadline for my Seicento Soleil to be collected by the new owner. I'll re-advertise the car and keep the deposit until the car is sold. No contact at all from the buyer so I may end up keeping the deposit so I will deduct it from the final sale price.
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"I'm in a fifty thousand Pound Porsche. As if I'm going to need help from someone in a....

...Fiat?"
There is a cruel satisfaction when a needlessly flash car conks out, given that chances are, the owner has an over inflated ego.
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There is a cruel satisfaction when a needlessly flash car conks out, given that chances are, the owner has an over inflated ego.
The odds are always greater given how more complex they are. The only exception seems to be Lexus. For some reason they seem able to build cars as advanced as anyone else but without the fragility that often comes with it.
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