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ChrisUK said:
Personally I wouldn't have told the dealer about the remap AND i would have got the ECU map reverted to the stock one before taking it. THEN the warranty is fine and you wouldn't have a massive bill.
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I wonder thou, im going to get my car remapped 450miles from where i live, what should i do if my car dies and i need to revert it back ?
 
The Beast said:
Insurance isn't for repairs to your car like this.
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Oh right my bad...in that case I guess it's just bad luck and he should have reverted it back like everyone said...:rolleyes:

beany_bot said:
I wonder thou, im going to get my car remapped 450miles from where i live, what should i do if my car dies and i need to revert it back ?
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Royal Mail :cool:
 
rptbu said:
I think the whole point of my post has been missed.

This is not a post about Angel Tunning ruining my car. I stated that Angel Tunning remapped my car because , Who mapped your car would have been the first question asked.

If anything this is an anti-remap post. After going through what I have I really can’t see the point in having your car remapped.

According to FFOXY some people who have their cars remapped drive them harder, well I can certainly say that I drove my car to the full potential of the remap, foot to the floor acceleration. But that begs the question that if you are not going to use the remap then why get it? Remapping companies state that what they do to your car will not reduce the life of your car anyway!!

To answer some of the questions asked:

Car was serviced as per fiats schedule i.e after one year full service. The car was then remapped and destroyed prior to its second service. (5 months to go and the car has only convered 6Kish miles)

Can the turbo exploding damage the engine? Yes it would appear so. Bits of the turbo went inside the air intake and were drawn into the engine. Vast quantites of oil also went down the air intake and exhaust causing unbelievable damage. As this all happened instantly the engine also suffered from a drop in oil pressure damaging other components even though the car was brought to a halt in less than 10 seconds.

I appreciate what people are saying about faulty turbos etc but there appears to be no proof of this other than dave’s say so (no disrespect) but there are no posts about it on the fiat forum and I have searched Google for Garrett Turbo failures without success. If anybody can shed some light on this it would be appreciated.

From what I can gather the turbo had over boosted due to the variable geometry vanes failing causing the turbo to fail and cracked the housing. This caused an oil leak and within a few seconds the engine was bone dry and the whole lot went bang (no warning from dash etc). I know that some people would say that this is a turbo failure but I cannot prove that it was a manufacturing error as due to the remap I was asking it to work faster. To use Dave’s tyre analogy If I buy a H speed rated tyre suitable for 130mph I cant complain when it blows up at 150mph even if it was caused by a manufacturing fault!!

Another thing that people seem to be missing is that a remap DOES invalidate your warranty. If you read the small print closely on the remapping sites they tell you that it is “untraceable and therefore wont be discovered” however if it is discovered you will be up the creek.

Assuming that the remap didn’t cause the damage to the car. It still invalidated my warranty. The warrenty is a two way legally binding agreement. You have to look after the car and get it serviced as per the guidelines etc. and in return you get 3 – 5 years peace of mind. However if you don’t play by the rules you don’t have a warranty,


I personally cant see the point in having a remap now, it seemed a great way of having a few extra BHP but it is a false economy.
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I suspected as much TBH. Post should be an Anti thrashing Post.

It really doesnt make any sense at all to fully exploit performance parameters that the engine / turbo combination were not built for, that to me is common sense. I never thrash my re-mapped car and use some of the extra boost available sometimes. The car is driven with sympathy as it was before the re-map. If you want to thrash the ass off a car you need to do more than re-map. I didnt have the re-map for speed just ease of use (speed limit is 70 mph in case anyone has forgotten) nippy acceleration in short bursts is fun too.
 
Ffoxy said:
If you want to thrash the ass off a car you need to do more than re-map. I didnt have the re-map for speed just ease of use (speed limit is 70 mph in case anyone has forgotten) nippy acceleration in short bursts is fun too.
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I never exceed the speed limit and I like you only use it for quick acceleration and overtaking. I am an adavced driver and as suh you are taught to accelerate as quickly as possible to the speed limit.

Part of the remap increases the boost of the turbo and caused it to spool up earlier putting the turbo under more pressure.

I havent done a lot of miles with the remap and I always let the engine heat up and cool down before and after due to the fact that I live in a built up area (30mph incase anyone has forgotten). so the last few minutes of any drive let the engine cool down.

I get the feeling that you are living in hope that by picking fault with everybody that posts about a turbo failing etc. you can say "It wont happen to me, I'm dont do that".

And to re itterate this point again, this post is to make people aware that if you have a remap you could face a huge repair bill so think long and hard as to why you have a remap in the fist place.
 
You're taking a risk if you modify a new car that is under the manufacturers warranty, especially if you do it on finance and don’t have much spare cash left over at the end of the month. Seems like a very foolish thing to do in my opinion, as the manufacturers will use the modifications to void the warranty and you will be left with a large bill that you can’t afford.

If you want to take the risk, get it done properly by a reputable company and look after it. Plus, if you drive a car hard, keep an even closer eye on oil levels, etc. and be prepared to service it more often.
 
rptbu said:
I never exceed the speed limit and I like you only use it for quick acceleration and overtaking. I am an adavced driver and as suh you are taught to accelerate as quickly as possible to the speed limit.

Part of the remap increases the boost of the turbo and caused it to spool up earlier putting the turbo under more pressure.

I havent done a lot of miles with the remap and I always let the engine heat up and cool down before and after due to the fact that I live in a built up area (30mph incase anyone has forgotten). so the last few minutes of any drive let the engine cool down.

I get the feeling that you are living in hope that by picking fault with everybody that posts about a turbo failing etc. you can say "It wont happen to me, I'm dont do that".

And to re itterate this point again, this post is to make people aware that if you have a remap you could face a huge repair bill so think long and hard as to why you have a remap in the fist place.
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if you never break the speed limit then how are you maximising the potential of the car? the multijet is easily fast enough to 70mph so if you're not going to use it then there's not alot of point in the remap tbh.

I too am an advanced driver and yes you are taught to accelerate to the speed quickly but at no pont are you instructed to thrash the **** out of the car to get there. That is frowned upon as it reduces the life of the engine.

What you are failing to see is that we are saying from 'our' experience it could happen to everyone's cars...whether they are remapped or not. However, if Ffoxy or anyone else drives their car 'sympathetically' then obviously their car should and will go on for longer than someone such as yourself who thrashes the car regardless of the 3/4 mins at the start and end of each drive you give the car to warm up and cool down.

but that is a well known fact, i'm sure you knew that already.
 
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rptbu said:
I never exceed the speed limit and I like you only use it for quick acceleration and overtaking. I am an adavced driver and as suh you are taught to accelerate as quickly as possible to the speed limit.

Part of the remap increases the boost of the turbo and caused it to spool up earlier putting the turbo under more pressure.

I havent done a lot of miles with the remap and I always let the engine heat up and cool down before and after due to the fact that I live in a built up area (30mph incase anyone has forgotten). so the last few minutes of any drive let the engine cool down.

I get the feeling that you are living in hope that by picking fault with everybody that posts about a turbo failing etc. you can say "It wont happen to me, I'm dont do that".
And to re itterate this point again, this post is to make people aware that if you have a remap you could face a huge repair bill so think long and hard as to why you have a remap in the fist place.
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Of course I'm living in hope, but I am also hedging my bets! I'm not picking faults with peoples Posts just looking for a common thread or factor that increases the risk to mitigate my own concerns. Turbos fail anyway. My car has now done 34,000 miles and runs out of its 2 year Warranty this month.

Post re-map at Red Dot it doesnt smoke, whine or whistle any more than it did pre-remap, I keep a keen eye on oil levels which has never needed topping up between services. Early life use will be a factor here in terms of failure or no failure, but the unknown factor is the dodgy turbo batch we hear about. I too have been unable to find anything firm related to that.

Fingers crossed... :eek:
 
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dave said:
if that was me i would be looking at now getting a better turbo and chucking the garrett in the shed
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The thought has entered my mind dave but I would have trouble justifying it to Mrs Ffoxy.... I can hear her now.... "its only since that bloody re-map...." or the like. :eek:

Still, at 34,000 miles if it was a turd of a turbo I guess it would have expired before now, guessing turbos have an MTBF I wonder what that might be (MTBF = Mean Time Before Failure)

Any suggestions what a better turbo than the Garrett might be?
 
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Ffoxy said:
The thought has entered my mind dave but I would have trouble justifying it to Mrs Ffoxy.... I can hear her now.... "its only since that bloody re-map...." or the like. :eek:

Still, at 34,000 miles if it was a turd of a turbo I guess it would have expired before now, guessing turbos have an MTBF I wonder what that might be (MTBF = Mean Time Before Failure)

Any suggestions what a better turbo than the Garrett might be?
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It would have to be the same turbo (albiet a new not dodgy one) unless you want to go hybrid due to the manifold.

If I were you I'd just track down your local Turbo specialist and get them to check it over on a friendly basis (y)
 
ChrisUK said:
It would have to be the same turbo (albiet a new not dodgy one) unless you want to go hybrid due to the manifold.

If I were you I'd just track down your local Turbo specialist and get them to check it over on a friendly basis (y)
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:eek: Ere bud.... check my blower out yeah? Buy you a pint????
 
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