i thought that was the puntomk2 lot that slate them not here?
i still dont know if they are the same avanti that are not far from where i live?
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i thought that was the puntomk2 lot that slate them not here?
i still dont know if they are the same avanti that are not far from where i live?
im beginning to wish i hadn't started this thread.
I went with Angel tuning because i saw the advert on this forum and Nigel gave very good service on the phone and was able to fit me in even tho i was miles and miles away from there garage.
The gains i received from the map were noticeable over standard and made the car more economical and 'felt' smoother.
The results are low compare to what other people are getting but at the end of the day i was happy when the map was first done and it has always put a smile on my face when i plant my foot and get held in my seat when the turbo kicks in, yer more power would be nice but at the level it is at the mo the clutch will take less of a beating and like wise the tyres
I went with Angel tuning because i saw the advert on this forum and Nigel gave very good service on the phone and was able to fit me in even tho i was miles and miles away from there garage.
The gains i received from the map were noticeable over standard and made the car more economical and 'felt' smoother.
The results are low compare to what other people are getting but at the end of the day i was happy when the map was first done and it has always put a smile on my face when i plant my foot and get held in my seat when the turbo kicks in, yer more power would be nice but at the level it is at the mo the clutch will take less of a beating and like wise the tyres
no advert here 
It is not my intention to make you unhappy. If you are happy with the map then this is all you wanted.
But on the other hand you asked the members why it is low and those are the answers they gave. The most here are not happy with what AT promotes should not interfer with you being happy about what you have.
I'm sorry but in a thread where every post has only been about discrediting the Angel map without anybody even considering the possibility that something else has caused the result, I find the following very hard to swallow.
My original point is that there are many possible causes for the result but nobody seems even remotely interested in considering them.
You simply cannot have a GP tuned by anybody other than Red Dot in this section without being told your car is about to blow up or smoke the city or is down on power so badly it will be near standard.
My original point is that there are many possible causes for the result but nobody seems even remotely interested in considering them.
You simply cannot have a GP tuned by anybody other than Red Dot in this section without being told your car is about to blow up or smoke the city or is down on power so badly it will be near standard.
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To be fair...if as you say every thread has been about discrediting angel tuning then don't you think there is a reason for it? If they were as good as they said then surely someone would stick up for them! GSR & Red Dot are very good and everyone knows this...we are yet to find an unhappy customer...and if you know any other induction kit that gives you 10bhp and a fair whack of torque then let me know!
We have also said though that if people are happy with their angel map and it is what they view as value for money then there's no problem...all of us have said this!
Yes, there are loads of reasons...however the 1.9 diesel engine is so tunable that no tuning company should only be able to only get 25bhp out of it. There are plenty of cars that are running and have been running at 50bhp+ over standard for years and there has never been an issue with it. Red Dot have on several occasions got them to 200bhp (the guys worked at fiat so could afford to screw their cars up) but they state themselves that this is not to be done because it will knacker the car. They themselves do not go for maximum power but drivability so Angel seem to make all the same claims yet without the experience or the evidence to back it up.
And finally...As far as i'm aware wasn't angel tuning something else previously but they had such bad reviews they had to change their name?
I accept the point that possibilities need being considered and agree that this is a necessity. Being soon for 30 years in the field most of it on the development and research side (which was interrupted when a nice partner dumped me in horrendous debts and did a runner) I do look into possibilities. The funny thing is that there is a pattern. None of the cars that were put on the rollers with an AT map showed the promised results. And this was on 5 different rolling roads. One of these is known to be as accurate as less than 1% out. This particular one is used by John Noble, Ford development and many racers with plenty of money who want the best.
Bring me one car where the results are matching the promises.
This is a heavily exagerated statement. And you are taking this out of context. And what yxou need to understand is how an ECU works. It is not as straight forward as many people think. Due to emission regulations quite a number of tables are included today that a lot of the people trying to re-write the software trying to cut corners. This is one of the reasons why people making certain claims against them.
Too late now!
Did you have the acceleration testing done? If so what were the results?
Ultimately I had mine remapped to make it faster and smoother, not for the headline bhp figure.
As you all know I had mine tuned by Angel and first hand saw my 0-60 time reduced by 1.6 seconds post map, I would imagine the 30-70 dropped even further, as we all know getting the power down out of the blocks effectively, is nigh on impossible. I don't think a comfortable sub 8 second 0-60 is anything to scoff at.
I have also seen a higher return on my mpg...so ultimately even if the bhp isn't as quoted I know from the way it goes there isn't going to be many GPS' quicker or smoother to drive than mine!
I'll still post up the results after next Saturday's RR though!
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oldschool.... I'd just like to ask a few questions, objectivily, and without predjudice.....
I read this forum alot, and don't like to post , because to me, it seems like all the posts are biased towards gsr and red dot... like its one big advert, and no other tuning comany is any good...
I have an angel tuning map, that gave 158 (ish) bhp on a rr....(awsome gti) at the same rr, a friends fabia vRS got 160bhp..... this particular fabia was at a rr a few weeks earlier, and gave 185bhp.... doesn't this mean if my car was at the previous rr it could well have given a reading circa 180 bhp?! the fabia was untouched invbetween these two readings, and only a thousand miles or so had passed inbetween..
RR's are an inaxact science,and I have been to very many rr session with alot of people with the same cars in the same state of tune, and seen many different results....
you keep saying that the t-jet genrally produces 140bhp (please correct me if I'm wrong) but if you do say this (and I admit I could be wrong), then I personally think your RR is reading high, as a manufacturer that states an engine output of 120bhp doesn't produce that engine consistantly gives 140bhp... no matter what you say, this IS the case.....
isn't it in your best interests to do a "before" and "after" RR reading that proves (and sells ) your products? I'm not being biased at all, but this is the case isn't it?
I am happy to have the above statement corrected, if someone with a red dot map goes to another INDEPENDANT RR and posts the results... awsomes rollers would be fine, or any rollers where there is no-one there connected with red dot or gsr, and an independant map is produces.....
even one of the "standard" t-jets rr'd somewhere else, and giving 140bhp would make me happy that I'm wrong.
then I'll accept all your comments, and all the others with similar comments...
I'm happy for this to happen (in fact if you can satisfy me, in the near future, I may come to you for a bigger turbo, and a custom map, if there was a clutch availabe too to handle the power, 200bhp should be possible with the m-jet 150's turbo....)
if this has already been done (independant rr results, not anything connected to red dot) then please post the results...
thank you .
shark.
edit: I do remember reading earlier inthe post that the angel map got less onother rr's, BUT all the maps at awsome that day gave less than stated, revo, jabba ect ect... what I'd like is RR results of your work from other independant places.....
I read this forum alot, and don't like to post , because to me, it seems like all the posts are biased towards gsr and red dot... like its one big advert, and no other tuning comany is any good...
I have an angel tuning map, that gave 158 (ish) bhp on a rr....(awsome gti) at the same rr, a friends fabia vRS got 160bhp..... this particular fabia was at a rr a few weeks earlier, and gave 185bhp.... doesn't this mean if my car was at the previous rr it could well have given a reading circa 180 bhp?! the fabia was untouched invbetween these two readings, and only a thousand miles or so had passed inbetween..
RR's are an inaxact science,and I have been to very many rr session with alot of people with the same cars in the same state of tune, and seen many different results....
you keep saying that the t-jet genrally produces 140bhp (please correct me if I'm wrong) but if you do say this (and I admit I could be wrong), then I personally think your RR is reading high, as a manufacturer that states an engine output of 120bhp doesn't produce that engine consistantly gives 140bhp... no matter what you say, this IS the case.....
isn't it in your best interests to do a "before" and "after" RR reading that proves (and sells ) your products? I'm not being biased at all, but this is the case isn't it?
I am happy to have the above statement corrected, if someone with a red dot map goes to another INDEPENDANT RR and posts the results... awsomes rollers would be fine, or any rollers where there is no-one there connected with red dot or gsr, and an independant map is produces.....
even one of the "standard" t-jets rr'd somewhere else, and giving 140bhp would make me happy that I'm wrong.
then I'll accept all your comments, and all the others with similar comments...
I'm happy for this to happen (in fact if you can satisfy me, in the near future, I may come to you for a bigger turbo, and a custom map, if there was a clutch availabe too to handle the power, 200bhp should be possible with the m-jet 150's turbo....)
if this has already been done (independant rr results, not anything connected to red dot) then please post the results...
thank you .
shark.
edit: I do remember reading earlier inthe post that the angel map got less onother rr's, BUT all the maps at awsome that day gave less than stated, revo, jabba ect ect... what I'd like is RR results of your work from other independant places.....
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I agree,to all tuning companies lets see some hard proof for us all to see....also this (these) threads are becoming tedious.
Proof please!
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RR at red dot doesn't seem to gie higher readings, my GPS gave out 135bhp standard and another on the same day gave out 125bhp standard.
What kind of proof do you want? My RR graph is up already. There will never be solid proof on the forum.
he does, and they are at a indepent rr places, gsr does not have its own so use one of 5 diffrent ones depending on what one is nearest to the test cars owner. there are before and after graphs all over this site.
when grs have invited staff to one of their rolling road sessions we have had full access to any thing we wanted to see or do.
other companies have taken up to theirs and we was told to stay well out of the way.
red dot come up quite a lot on the forum
1. because they are good have a good rep in both the tuning and racing world, as well as trading with big retail chains they still have time for the independent customer.
2. because oldschool has sorted a very big discount with them, if we go there as part of the gsr deal
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I'll post mine tomorrow aswell
was rolling roaded before at 97bhp and is now 106bhp...on the same rolling road with just a GSR kit. Now that's not only believable but fairly accurate judging on how much better it is to drive.
And i agree with Dave...if Red Dot were ******** then noone would rave about them! Come down to a rolling road day and let them show you themselves.
where (link?) post it on this thread please
https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-punto/141447-m-jet-gsr-kit-fitted-results-3.html
Bear in mind the standard figure is with the gsr kit on.
I'll try and dig out my original rr from last year aswell
Something I forgot to say aswell...Its only fair for ALL tuning companies to provide proof. I think the only proof that you will see posted is most likely going to be Red Dot and GSR.
Mk2 1.9 JTD
First run was with Angel Tuning Remap (109.5bhp & 157.5lb ft torque)
Second run was with GSR Induction Kit & Red Dot Remap. (124.8bhp & 195.3lb ft torque)
First run was with Angel Tuning Remap (109.5bhp & 157.5lb ft torque)
Second run was with GSR Induction Kit & Red Dot Remap. (124.8bhp & 195.3lb ft torque)
good graphs guys I think this is definately the proof we need that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that house prices are falling
I think this is definately the proof we need that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that house prices are falling
good graphs guys
Actually...i would say that as the graphs show "positive correlation" house prices are rising
Ignoring the recession obviously
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