I take it the vitara is either an indirect injection turbo or a direct injection NON common rail turbo.
obviously suits your mix.
How much does it cost you per litre to make and how long does it take ?
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I take it the vitara is either an indirect injection turbo or a direct injection NON common rail turbo.
obviously suits your mix.
How much does it cost you per litre to make and how long does it take ?
helter
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It is a common rail injection apparently a peugeot engine. I bought a bulk of chemicals to make about 500 litres of fuel costs about 20 to 30 pence a litre to make I am lucky and get the waste oil free, Takes about a day to get totally useable bio diesel, I don't rush, claims are for about 8 hours from start to finish,but i take longer to filter finished product then heat and cool.
Well thats interesting i wonder what Pug unit it is, there diesel engines in the PSA range were 1.9 XU units ( i think) then they brought out the HDI range and a 2.0 in that 90bhp and 110bhp which one is it. or is it something they did for Suzuki!!
because if it is a 2.0 Hdi thats still running in there cars now so would be interesting as Pugs were the car I was thinking of when I made reference to getting an old diesel. I ran a 306 1.9 d turbo for a number of years great car .
Lucky with the oil I'll say
cost for new rapeseed oil is as much as diesel anyway tell us about your engine curious!!
Make garden family time where all the kids help you out in the gardenI agree with you on that one. I've got 4 kids, all school age, and they take up most of my time.
I get really p*ssed off with my neighbours moaning at me for not having an immaculate garden like they do when they have bugger all to do all weekend because their kids have grown up and left home years ago.
This is going off topic to say the least but I had to get that off my chest as it's been really, really p*ssing me off for a while now
Make garden family time where all the kids help you out in the garden
tried that, they just want to play football, not cut the grass
Niall_G
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tried that, they just want to play football, not cut the grass
how about garden time = feed time?
no grass cutting, no food ! :devil:
Rustymini
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My gardens a mess.
Can't blame the kids - they're too busy cleaning chimneys.
Can't blame the kids - they're too busy cleaning chimneys.
helter
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Could be wrong about the engine in the suzuki but local garage told me it was a common rail injection. It is on a 52 plate has been changed again since I think. Definatly the pug engine as I get pug fuel filters for it.
As for the difference between running on waste/ straight veg oil and bio deisel there is quite a difference. Put simply and quickly, waste/straight oil is un modified veg oil. Bio diesel has been chemically cracked to produce esters, I think bio diesel is really called FAME an acronym for something that also escapes me. The processing produces bio which may contain excess methanol which will dissolve natural rubber but not modern silicon rubbers.
As for the difference between running on waste/ straight veg oil and bio deisel there is quite a difference. Put simply and quickly, waste/straight oil is un modified veg oil. Bio diesel has been chemically cracked to produce esters, I think bio diesel is really called FAME an acronym for something that also escapes me. The processing produces bio which may contain excess methanol which will dissolve natural rubber but not modern silicon rubbers.
helter
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FAME fatty acid methyl ester Apparently Angle tuning quote that any car post 92 can run on this. So once again I ask What is wrong with the LUCAS fuel pump? Please cam someone pass on the facts, or does anyone have a bosch one I can have. Hate to have to pay for diesel if I'm making it.
Found this for light bedtime reading
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYH/is_15_4/ai_65172286
Kind of what i was saying about modern diesels not being designed for non mineral Diesel
helter
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Yes light reading but all fuel pump manufacturers are covering their asses. If all of this was totally correct then a global withdraw of processors should occur. Is this really funded by the big oil companies as they are now running scared that there may be an alternative to the stranglehold they have over all of us? I am asking through this forum as experience and common sense often prove to be a better source of information. What happens to lucas fuel pumps please.
I think the real issue is that people in general have not the time inclination, your skill and patience to take a chance on putting something in there predominantly new modern diesels ( which are now nearly 5 years 100000 miles) warranties that could invalidate said warranty and cause possible future damage for the sake of saving a few quid.
Now the reality is that if we all went scrouging around chippies etc for old free oil the chippies would stop giving it away free and start to sell as a market emerged for profit and as the cost of new veg oil is allready prohibitive
we are basically stuffed.
fact without oil this planet and its economies are dead
until a real alternative clean sustainable energy source is developed or foundAm trying to find out about the lucus pump
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helter
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I have to agree about our reliance on oil will be there for many generations to come, if only the oil lasts. lets hope it will in the meantime everyone who does their bit will help, lets not get political or environmental in this thread too much of that else where. Would really appreciate any help about the lucas fuel pump though. As for chippies no use they all use very environmentally friendly palm oil now, no good for FAME in this country, still with global warming( i'm begining to glaze over right now) soon be tropical.
had a quick scan on other furums and its seems that theres nothing to sinister with the Lucus fuel pumps apart fronm that they are totally unsuitable for using anything more than about a 10% mix.
All the forums and bio diesel sites say stay clear, as compared to the bosch pump which is considerably stonger, the lucus pump being a rotary injection fuel pump requires the diesel to act as a lubricant and as the veg based bio is more viscous (certainly when cold) its prone to seizing one guy had it seize after 10 miles
the advice says you could change to a bosch pump but ideally the injectors need doing aswell even though the lucus injectors would be ok.
The up shot is its just not as strong a pump
and when anything but 100% mineral diesel is used starts to give it trouble.They are allredy questioning the 5 % bio diesel mix which is causing some trouble nearly always in electonic fuel injection commonrail systems.
i go back to my first statement an old IDI diesel VW or merc would run well with no trouble.
Modern CR Diesels have not been designed by the manufacturers to deal with such a fuel without certain conversions in extra fuel filtering and pre heating of the bio with a twin tank in car.
Hope this helps
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helter
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Many thanks for this chrisb100 but never heard of viscosity problems with bio or 2 tank system. The 2 tank system is used when running on veg oil in conjunction with a pre heater on the fuel line, ie start on mineral when warm switch supply to veg then back a few minutes before shutting engine off. FAME can wax in cold weather depending on oil used in manufacture, would run on 50/50 mix in winter to prevent waxing.
helter
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l5th April 2008 marked 'Biofuels Day'. That was the date when all fuel companies in the UK became obliged to replace a certain percentage of their annual fossil fuel sales with biofuels, by law. As from that date, 2.5 per cent of fuel produced in the UK will have to come from renewable sources such as crops, as opposed to being made from oil taken from the ground or from under our oceans. Info from http://www.biofuelsday.co.uk/index.php
problem is the cost of arable crops has rocketed as farmers are noe growing rape for the oil instead of wheat or barley for foods for humans and livestock thus not helped in the increase cost of grains and other cerael crops since the push for Bio fuels.
Then with our esteemed Premier talking about scrapping petrol driven cars by 2020
this puts the whole diesel / bio diesel thing really to the front of the class.Hey if its possible to run the worlds transport and feed the worlds people and animals from growing crops
but for me its small potatoes.A little to little to late.
Your right with the neat veg oil two tank thing it was late last night when I read it. But the word is the Lucus pumps a No No. Is it worth the risk!!!!!
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helter
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Bit the bullet. Running my 2002 1.9sx on 100% bio home made so know the quality, I have a lucas pump and so far so good now 60 litres in 20 at a time so could mix mineral if a problem, will keep you all informed.
And I'm halfway through my first tank of mix - 45litres of diesel plus 3 of veg oil.
